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ExtraCookie · NO CHICKFLICK MOMENTS Joined: 04 Apr 2007 Posts: 269

In this post, I'm addressing Supernatural questions. Some (perhaps all) may have been answered and I just missed or forgot them. (I've always got too much on my mind, so it's easy enough for this to happen!) As for the rest, you may not know either, but may have theories/ideas/whatever and I'd be happy to hear them. (Just please be sure to note that it is, indeed, your theory/idea; wasn't actually in the show. You know how easily confused I am!) These are random. Also, feel free to post your own Superatural questions, of course.

1. When did Ruby tell anyone her name? I don't recall it ever happening. Just suddenly, one episode, one of the guys was calling her that (Sammy?). It must be nice to be able to record the episodes! It's not important; I'm just curious.

2. In the pilot, how did Dean end up back at Sammy's in time to save his ass?! Even with the deleted scene, I still don't understand what happened. Dean's driving along and. . .Oh! He suddenly has an unexplained compulsion to check his watch. I don't see anything unusual in the watch. Was it supposed to have stopped? Even if it did, why would that compel him to turn around? (John to young Dean: "Son, if your watch ever stops, you are to check on Sam immediately! That's a 'Sibling-In-Danger' omen!" ???) Or was it just Sammy Checking Time (I mean, ya know, I always check on my sister at 9:45 p.m. [or whatever time it was. If you think I'm gonna bother to put on the DVD & check now, you're wrong] too, of course)? I want this explained! I've always been baffled by the fact that he was just suddenly there, in the nick of time. *pout* What did I miss?!

3. This is a big one: WHY DOES THE SHOW KEEP INSISTING DEAN DIED?! Dean never died! (Until season 3 finale, that is!) Unless you count those seconds of clinical death in the hospital. If so, that means that Dean (and everyone else on this show, apparently) thinks that if someone's heart stops, doctors shouldn't try to restart them. Dean feels guilty and wrong for the fact that his heart restarted? Remember, he hadn't agreed to go with the Reaper. (For that matter, he never did. He looked like he was probably gonna, but he DIDN'T.) Didn't even realize he'd met her yet, right? And in "Faith," the boy didn't die, either! He was most likely GOING to but, people, he DID NOT! So, why does he and everyone else keep saying it?! I wouldn't mind it if it was mentioned in one episode (oops) and then it moved on; all shows make mistakes. But a whole plot point has arced from this. IF they're counting that few seconds of clinical death. . . WEAK! Sure, one time a life was taken so that his didn't have to be. . .but he did not die. And later, he MAY have died (doctor didn't say he WOULD; just made it clear that it was highly likely) but a demon interefered to make sure he didn't; again, causing another person to die. . .and he DID NOT. If Dean wanted to say he felt guilty because two souls were taken in order that he DID NOT DIE, fine. But he and everyone else keeps saying he DIED and was brought back. I know it seems nitpicky, but when they're going so far as to have Dean say, very specifically, "What's dead should stay dead," and "I was dead, Sam, and I should've stayed dead" (I may not have gotten those lines 100% correct, but you know the ones I mean) it is flat out incorrect. Is our Dean just an exaggerator and everyone else just goes along?!

4. I've asked this before in the show discussion thread, but: Why do people on the show blame the boys for opening the hell gate? And, furthermore, why have the boys never protested this? I don't get it. Even if the demons spread that rumor (one of the theories), why would hunters believe it? From demons--notorious liars?! If that's how the general hunting world is, then I'm extra glad that the Winchesters have always mostly operated on their own. Good for them!

5. Jared loves cookies so much (it's his favorite word even), do you think it was his idea that Jess leave a plateful of them out for Sammy in the pilot? (OK, I just threw that in for goofiness.) (And he's a boy after my own heart, if we're talking freshly-baked, warm chocolate chip ones. Esp. Pillsbury. Mmmmmm. See why my icon is so fitting, in more ways than one? Thanks again, Sarah!)

6. OK, how did John come away from the boys' childhood home without even so much as a singed hair?! We saw that huge (super cool. Well, not cool. . .it was very hot. Har har.) fireball engulf the guy! That looked cool, but made no sense. He should've at least had bad burns all over his body. Singed eyebrows. . .something! Was John "Supernatural?!" All I've got is that he must've managed to drop to the floor at the very last split second. Sure didn't show that, though. (This doesn't really matter, of course. I just think it's funny. If you have some amusing/interesting answers, bring 'em on.)

That's all I have for now. But, knowing me, I'll probably come up with more later. Thanks for any answers/theories in advance. It's nice to be associated with fellow fans who are more observant and/or have better memories than me!

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Jule · Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 3:52 pm Post subject: Re: I Don't Know, Do You?

1. I guess it must have been in The Kids Are Alright, but I can't remember it either. I only know for sure that she was the nameless 'girl that just saved your ass' in The Magnificent 7.

3. I think they refer to In My Time of Dying when they call him dead. Not to the few seconds of clinical death, but to his damaged body that caused the Reaper to show up. According to Wikipedia (here is the link, you'll have to copy and paste it. I can't make it work the elegant way, thanks to the bracket in it: >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_(personification)<), a Reaper is either seen as death himself or as some kind of 'guide of souls' who guides the deceased to the next world and has no control over the fact of death. They seem to have used the latter meaning here. In the entire episode the Reaper took only the deceased, it didn't kill. Remember the scene with the magic talking board? Dean told Sam there was a Reaper after him and Sam said something like "If it's here natural we can't do anything about it". And in Dean's talk with TtR (Tessa the Reaper) she told him his body was dead, and there was no way he was going to get back in it. She was there to guide his soul to the next world. His options were going with her or stay at the hospital as a (possibly angry) spirit.

As for 2., 4., 5. and 6., I have no idea. But I want a cookie now! Very Happy

ExtraCookie · NO CHICKFLICK MOMENTS Joined: 04 Apr 2007 Posts: 269

"I think they refer to In My Time of Dying when they call him dead. Not to the few seconds of clinical death, but to his damaged body that caused the Reaper to show up. According to Wikipedia (here is the link, you'll have to copy and paste it. I can't make it work the elegant way, thanks to the bracket in it: >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_(personification)<), a Reaper is either seen as death himself or as some kind of 'guide of souls' who guides the deceased to the next world and has no control over the fact of death. They seem to have used the latter meaning here. In the entire episode the Reaper took only the deceased, it didn't kill. Remember the scene with the magic talking board? Dean told Sam there was a Reaper after him and Sam said something like "If it's here natural we can't do anything about it". And in Dean's talk with TtR (Tessa the Reaper) she told him his body was dead, and there was no way he was going to get back in it. She was there to guide his soul to the next world. His options were going with her or stay at the hospital as a (possibly angry) spirit."

OK, so let me get this straight: Just because they know a reaper was after Dean, they're counting that as him being dead? Hmm. . .this is sort of screwing with the show's stories, now that I travel down this path! They, in fact, knew that reapers CAN be controlled. (I didn't read the Wiki thing yet, but I will. I'm just going on Supernatural's take on reapers.) That preacher's wife did it! Yeah, you have to use "black magic," but it's still possible. (And, if I were them, once I discovered there was that way to control them, I'd try to find out if there were other, non-black-magic ways to do the same. Make bargains, etc.) I'll go ahead and accept Sammy's saying they couldn't do anything about it as being the same as won't do anything about it. Although, that rubs the wrong way too, as he was willing in the finale to use evil to save Dean then. He only didn't because Dean insisted he didn't. I said all that to say this: Apparently, in the show, just because a reaper comes for you it is NOT necessarily the end, and they knew that. Didn't "Tessa" even back off when Dean shouted at and rushed her the first time he saw her?! Seriously, why'd she bother? You wouldn't think a powerful being like that would be scared off by a ghost! That's laughable, actually. It's also laughable that'd she'd bother easing Dean into the idea of being reaped. I didn't see her doing that to the little girl (!!! I think between a grown man and a little girl, the girl would need to be eased into the idea most! Sheesh!); she just grabbed her. But it made for some good scenes, so I forgive them. (Oh, and it's odd she said his body was dead. What's her definition? Not what ours is, apparently. He hadn't even been declared brain dead, had he?! He was unconscious due to serious injuries and couldn't breathe. That doesn't equal dead. If she'd said she knew it was going to be dead instead, that would be more logical. But, OK, OK; I'll give this to them: I guess, to a reaper, it's one and the same.)

For that matter, apparently, demons and reapers work with one another. (True, I guess the guys didn't know that then. John did, obviously. I wonder why he never told them?! Will his secrets ever end?!) Which makes it weird that "Tessa" was so shocked when her Dean-reaping got foiled. (Heh heh, maybe they're just used to having more notice. The proper paperwork hadn't been filed or something. If so, damn, she is a hell of stickler!) But, clearly, they must have a history of working together, if demons have the ability to resurrect people (or halt a person's journey to certain death, as in "Crossroad Blues." I mean, it's pretty much the same thing) in bargains!

So, in a way, I could accept your explanation. If I just want to ignore some stuff and not bother rationalizing some other stuff. And it's not such a huge deal, of course, that don't like the show or anything! It just seems an annoying, glaring error. (I love this show. It's allowed at least one!) I still don't feel like it's accurate to say he actually died. He was as good as dead, but he didn't actually die. My nitpick stands! Laughing

I'm going to somewhat "fix" it by seeing our guys as sometime exaggerators or extreme bottom-liners. They have a "It was almost definitely going to happen, so let's just think/talk of it as though it did" attitude. That's OK.

Now I've got the bloopers of "Tessa" not being able to find Jensen's head stuck in my mind. Laughing

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"Decapitations aren't my idea of a good time, I guess." --Sammy, "Bloodlust"