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Jasmin I LOVE THE SMURFS

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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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I thought it was a bit Icky and annoying, like you said too. I didn't think it was very funny at all.
I didn't notice Sam being more aggravated then usual. I thought his reaction was just fine for being groped by an old lady. *shrugs*
I'd go and rewatch it, but that means I'd have to see Bela and OOC Sam and Dean 
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Jule I LOVE THE SMURFS

Joined: 03 Oct 2007 Posts: 68
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 1:51 pm Post subject: |
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| You might be right, ExtraCookie. I only watched it once and I can't force myself to watch it again. Besides the fact that I found Gert extremely annoying (and from the sides I thought she'd be funny, that was very disappointing) I didn't pay much attention to her and Sam. I was too busy hating Bela. And I still am, so I can't rewatch. I'll just pretend RSAM never happened. |
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ExtraCookie NO CHICKFLICK MOMENTS

Joined: 04 Apr 2007 Posts: 269
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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First, I apologize for being lame. I don't know what your abbreviations mean! Taking a shot in the dark, I'm guessing OOC means out of character. RSAM, no clue! Rude Sam? Rumpled Sam? Ravishing Sam? Ridiculous Sam?
Really? You two refuse to watch episodes? I guess I'm a hard-core fan or something, because nothing, not even the wretched "Bugs" ep., can make me not watch the show (I've even watched that ep. at least twice!). As long as the guys are there, doing their thing, I'll watch. I think even if the show became sucky in general, I still wouldn't be able to not watch, because it already hooked me with its former goodness! As for Bela, I don't hate her. It's Jo all over again for me, which means she's just there. I don't care if she is, I don't care if she isn't. She may as well be a tree. *shrug* She does seem to have this odd, un-chemistry with the guys, though. Esp. Jensen. When he's doing scenes with her, things don't seem to flow the way they normally do with him. Not a big deal to me, though. Supernatural tends to tap some internal spring of patience within me! I can forgive it nearly anything. Nearly. _________________ "Decapitations aren't my idea of a good time, I guess." --Sammy, "Bloodlust" |
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Jasmin I LOVE THE SMURFS

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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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I hate watching RSAM (red sky at morning)
I can take Bela in other eppies, but here Sam and Dean's OOC'ness is just too much for me.
Everytime I hear her tell Dean not to think because he's not very good at it I wanna punch her.
Everytime Dean notices that the hand is gone it makes me wanna cry because she makes him look like the biggest idiot ever. On top of that she's so good a thief that they can't show us how she gets the hand out of his inside jacket
And everytime Sam says "She has Style, gotta give her that" I wanna puke. That has to be the worst line in the history of SN.
I'd rather watch "Bugs" and "No Exit" on a 24 hour loop _________________
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Jule I LOVE THE SMURFS

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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 6:05 am Post subject: |
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No worries Cookie, it took me a while figure it out, too. RSAM means Red Sky At Morning.
And that's the only episode I refuse to rewatch. It made me so mad I wanted to throw things at my screen. My reasons are exactly the same as Jasmin's. I'd rather watch 'Bugs' every day than ever 'Red Sky At Morning' again. And I didn't even hate 'Bugs' that much. The monsters were weak and so was the instant morning, but I liked the family dynamics. The 'Dad is disappointed in me' talk. I'm a sucker for that kind of stuff.
To me, Bela is way worse than Jo. Jo was annoying but I didn't mind her that much. I didn't care if she was there or not. Sam and Dean were still Sam and Dean around her. Bela, on the other hand, drives me so mad I just want her gone. The way the boys act like completely different characters around her is just intolerable for me. I guess my fangirl-heart can only take so much. |
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ExtraCookie NO CHICKFLICK MOMENTS

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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | No worries Cookie, it took me a while figure it out, too. RSAM means Red Sky At Morning. | Uh, I totally knew that. I was just. . .TESTING you people! Congrats, you passed! (Are you buying this?!) Did I have the OOC one right?
| Quote: | | And that's the only episode I refuse to rewatch. It made me so mad I wanted to throw things at my screen. My reasons are exactly the same as Jasmin's. I'd rather watch 'Bugs' every day than ever 'Red Sky At Morning' again. And I didn't even hate 'Bugs' that much. The monsters were weak and so was the instant morning, but I liked the family dynamics. The 'Dad is disappointed in me' talk. I'm a sucker for that kind of stuff. To me, Bela is way worse than Jo. Jo was annoying but I didn't mind her that much. I didn't care if she was there or not. Sam and Dean were still Sam and Dean around her. Bela, on the other hand, drives me so mad I just want her gone. The way the boys act like completely different characters around her is just intolerable for me. I guess my fangirl-heart can only take so much. |
I haven't even noticed them being out of character around her, except for her being able to steal stuff from them (well, Dean) so easily, even after they're on to her. I just can't get over the hand of glory theft, either. The Dean I know wouldn't have let that happen!
As for "Bugs," I enjoy it. There's no Supernatural episode I don't! "Bugs" is merely bad for a Supernatural episode. I loved the family talk, etc. too (and I think it has my favorite gay jokes. ". . .OK, Honey?", then Sam's mortified look--always funny!) I'll have to watch it again soon to see if I still think it's worse than "Red Sky. . ." or not. I do think RSAM (see, I'm being cool now!) is a weaker episode, though. _________________ "Decapitations aren't my idea of a good time, I guess." --Sammy, "Bloodlust" |
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Sarah TRANSCENDENTAL SIGNIFIED

Joined: 02 Apr 2007 Posts: 478
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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 8:54 am Post subject: |
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To jump in...
Bugs. Not my all-time favourite episode by any means. But not the absolute worst you can get, either. Like Jule, I was a fan of the family scenes and every single time I watch the "We accept home owners of every race, religion, ethnicity or...sexual orientation" scene, I crack. right. up. Dean's FACE. Sam's FACE. The "Okay honey?" butt slap! Classic. <3 I know a lot of people hate that scene, but I thought it was just adorable how they handled it. They didn't flip out, they just went with it and rolled their eyes a little as if it'd happened before and they'd learned there was nothing they could do about it.
No Exit/Jo. I absolutely hated Jo. Like could not stand her. Until BUaBS aired. I liked her in that episode. I've already outlined by reasons for not liking the character up until that point, but just to summarise: In BUaBS, Jo had left home and was living alone, supporting herself, and had GROWN UP. She was no longer the rebellious little girl stuck in a 20-something body she'd been previously. It made me warm up to her.
RSaM. Again, not my favourite episode. But it could've been worse. There are some scenes in it that I really liked. The Bela-ness was a little over the top, as Kripke has since pointed out. But the reasons that I wasn't a HUGE fan are the same as all of yours: calling Dean stupid repeatedly, being able to steal the hand, just handing them money as a 'sorry', and getting saved by them.
Since it aired and since Fresh Blood aired, I've somewhat changed by tune on the last. Dean and Sam have proven themselves time and again to be the sort of guys that just need to SAVE people. Even if the people are unbelievable douchebags. But in FB, Dean has finally had enough. That bitch set Gordon on his baby brother, and THAT is unforgivable. I think Bela ought to watch her back next time she's around Dean.
Overall, I can watch every single episode again and again. Er...and have. But you know what one of my pet-peeve episodes is? Heart. I mean, a lot of the scenes were adorable. But I'm not a fan of the actress who played Madison (and then I watched her in OTH and hated her on that show, too, figures) because she, like Cassie, wasn't a good actress. And the sex scene sort of makes me laugh every time because of all the lighting and zooming in on Jared's muscles. *snort* A lot of people spontaneously combusted when that aired and voted it a million times hotter than the Dean sex scene we got in Route 666. Personally? I was a fan of that one. Understated, low lighting, nothing too dramatic, intimate. Both were appropriate to the mood of the show/the emotional state of the boys, but Sam's was just a little over the top for me.
I wish they'd bring someone like Taylor (Sarah) back to the show. Only... from watching the S1 gag reel, I think she may have been the reason that Jared and Jensen had that one fight that year. Jensen's face throughout those repeated takes is like a thundercloud. Seriously. Go back and watch that and then watch the S2 gag reel where Jared's fucking around in the kitchen during Heart. It's like night and day. |
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ExtraCookie NO CHICKFLICK MOMENTS

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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | The Bela-ness was a little over the top, as Kripke has since pointed out. | Really?! When?! Where?! Could you direct me to where he said that please? Or tell me what he said from memory? Cuz he's right!
| Quote: | | Dean and Sam have proven themselves time and again to be the sort of guys that just need to SAVE people. Even if the people are unbelievable douchebags. | Absolutely. It's been shown as part of who they are almost from the start! And Sammy is actually normally amazingly kind/sympathetic, etc. with even those annoying folks, which I love. And Dean usually isn't, which I also love. Guess it's the contrast. But I also love how, despite his lack of patience, he does *care* and, after a few smart-assed comments, just lets Sammy do the direct dealing with them. It's just fun! But, yeah, of course they saved Bela. I knew they would. But you're right. After what she did in F.B., that may be the last time that happens! I can't imagine what could happen to win back Dean's patience (what little he ever had) with her. And surely even Sammy will have lost his patience as well; she almost got him killed, and forced him to have to kill (which would've almost certainly happened sooner or later anyway, but still. . . would've been nice to not have been forced into it early by someone else).
I like both sex scenes. There were a few off things in Sammy's, but it was still good. And the off things maybe sort of worked a bit; I mean, the guy hadn't had any in, what, a year? More? And the circumstances were unusual to say the least. Maybe it shouldn't have looked perfect. I think the biting made up for any wrongs, pretty much.
| Quote: | | I wish they'd bring someone like Taylor (Sarah) back to the show. Only... from watching the S1 gag reel, I think she may have been the reason that Jared and Jensen had that one fight that year. Jensen's face throughout those repeated takes is like a thundercloud. Seriously. Go back and watch that and then watch the S2 gag reel where Jared's fucking around in the kitchen during Heart. It's like night and day. | Yes, you may remember I loved Sarah. Boy, do I wish they'd bring her back! As to the gag reels, both of which I've seen more times than I'm comfortable admitting, it's always seemed that in those bloopers with "Sarah" that Jensen was just trying to stay in character. If you watch the actual episode, Dean is sitting there, being serious, while Sammy and Sarah are talking. I think Jensen maybe looked a TAD annoyed, but I don't see why it would be with Taylor, judging from the bloopers, because in the bloopers, JARED was the one who kept messing up. Taylor was the one hanging in there, while Jared kept laughing and messing up the take. So, if he even was annoyed, I'd guess it was with Jared. Jared had a serious case of the giggles in that scene! Taylor seemed frustrated too, but was being a good sport about it. Jared's adorable and laughing is fun, but I guess when you just want to get a scene over with & get on with your day so you can go "home" it can be a bit exasperating. He may've had the tired giggles. You know, when you're so tired everything is funny? Even stuff that shouldn't be?  _________________ "Decapitations aren't my idea of a good time, I guess." --Sammy, "Bloodlust" |
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Sarah TRANSCENDENTAL SIGNIFIED

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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:46 pm Post subject: |
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| ExtraCookie wrote: | | Really?! When?! Where?! Could you direct me to where he said that please? Or tell me what he said from memory? Cuz he's right! |
Ummmmmmmm I don't have the sources on me at the moment. He's said it in various interviews recently. The latest is the TV Guide one a couple days ago, I think.
| Quote: | | But I also love how, despite his lack of patience, he does *care* and, after a few smart-assed comments, just lets Sammy do the direct dealing with them. It's just fun! But, yeah, of course they saved Bela. I knew they would. But you're right. After what she did in F.B., that may be the last time that happens! |
I don't think they'd kill her...I mean, it took them a lot to work up to killing Gordon as a human. And he'd tried to kill them more than once. Bela's just a bitch and a thorn in their sides. So while I don't think they'd ever go out of their way to save her again, I don't think they'll be killing her any time soon, either.
| Quote: | And the off things maybe sort of worked a bit; I mean, the guy hadn't had any in, what, a year? More? And the circumstances were unusual to say the least. Maybe it shouldn't have looked perfect. I think the biting made up for any wrongs, pretty much.  |
Yeah, see, I get why it was so frantic and all that. Sammy was pretty hard up by then. But it just makes me laugh. That, along with the AWFUL "werewolf" costume just sets me off laughing. Like it's not a TERRIBLE sex scene. Technically, it's good. But with the music and the zooming in on muscles... *snickers*
| Quote: | | Yes, you may remember I loved Sarah. Boy, do I wish they'd bring her back! As to the gag reels, both of which I've seen more times than I'm comfortable admitting, it's always seemed that in those bloopers with "Sarah" that Jensen was just trying to stay in character. If you watch the actual episode, Dean is sitting there, being serious, while Sammy and Sarah are talking. I think Jensen maybe looked a TAD annoyed, but I don't see why it would be with Taylor, judging from the bloopers, because in the bloopers, JARED was the one who kept messing up. |
I agree that he seemed to be trying to stay in character. But it's when Jared starts laughing or messes up or something, you can see him drop out of it and it looks kind of like he wants to sigh heavily or roll his eyes. He never cracks a smile. Not once. Whereas with the S2 gag reel, he's smiling pretty much constantly the whole time. So I don't believe he was angry at Taylor. Just at Jared. Because Jared kept messing around and flirting with Taylor, and therefore making them redo the scene a bunch of times. Actually...it always makes me think he was a liiiiittle jealous to be excluded. *grin* |
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ExtraCookie NO CHICKFLICK MOMENTS

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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the interview info! Will check that out.
| Quote: | | I don't think they'd kill her... | Whoa, whoa, whoa! Of course they wouldn't kill her, I didn't mean that! Just that I doubt they'll be willing to jump in and save her next time she needs them to. (They weren't exactly jumping up and down to do it the first time!) I've thought about that, though, and knowing the way the show is, if they keep her on it long enough, the guys (and we) will find out her dirty little family-death secret and it'll probably play on their (if not our) sympathy and it will, therefore, make them go ahead and save her again. (Sorry for the run-on!) OR she'll, for some reason, do some big favor for them (??) or something. *sigh* Ya know, now that I'm thinking about it, I'm still not in the I Hate Bela camp, but I DO think more and more that she's just a waste of time. I don't see the point of her being there. If they don't wise up and give us a good reason (other than being that thorn in the guys' sides) for her being there, I could end up in that camp after all. She's superfluous, right now, right?! At least with Ruby, there's intrigue: What's her story? What does she want? What are her plans for Sam? CAN she save Dean's life? She seems to have actual reasons for being around other than, "Hi, I'm a cold-hearted mercenary here to annoy you!" Oh, and we may get to learn a bit more about Ruby tomorrow! 'Bout time!
| Quote: | | Yeah, see, I get why it was so frantic and all that. Sammy was pretty hard up by then. But it just makes me laugh. That, along with the AWFUL "werewolf" costume just sets me off laughing. Like it's not a TERRIBLE sex scene. Technically, it's good. But with the music and the zooming in on muscles... *snickers* | You hated the werewolf look too? Cool! I probably knew that and forgot it. Alzheimer's anyone?! They weren't even trying on that. For shame. And I get your points about the giggle bits of the sex scene. But, hey, those were some nice muscles, at least!
| Quote: | | Actually...it always makes me think he was a liiiiittle jealous to be excluded. *grin* | Ah. . . something to consider!
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