Thoughts on Latest Episode

ExtraCookie · Thoughts on Latest Episode

Important Note from Sarah!
**For convenience's sake, links to the beginnings of episode discussions will now be linked to here on the front page!**

here

*************************************************************************************************

And now back to your regular program....

We can use this thread for latest ep. discussions from now on or not. Smile

I just wanted to post my thoughts on "Hollywood Babylon." I posted this on the CW, where, like, 98% of the posts about the ep. are positive. I assume there are a lot of teens and early-20-somethings there. I wonder if any other older people, besides me, have a different opinion than those? Or if those who didn't care so much for it are just the weird ones? Quite likely; I won't deny being weird! P.S. I learned today you can't even say "slut" on the CW! But you CAN say "sluttiness," cuz that's not in the dictionary, I guess! Laughing

Now the post:

As usual, I'm one of the odd ones out. *waves to the 2 or 3 others* Hi! I just did not care for this one. It's the worst one since "Bugs." I enjoyed it, because it's Supernatural. And it did have some nice humor and inside stuff. I think I laughed most at the piece of meat hanging out of Dean's mouth (Jensen, you're a brave soul. I love how you just go for it!) and Sammy giving him a disgusted look. Also had a nice laugh at the typical-horror-movie beginning--so funny! And I thought Jared did a nice job of still seeming in a funk after what happened with Madison; I don't think the boy cracked a smile the entire time. It was cool seeing Don Stark and that Office Space dude. But, overall, it just didn't work. I loved "Tall Tales." Even though it was packed with goofy humor, it still felt like a Supernatural episode. This one didn't. It was more like "Supernatural On Vacation" or something. Dean was just too goofy at times. And that trailer-rockin' ending? Just sooo cheesy. I'm getting a little tired of Dean being a slut. I don't generally mined the ladies' man thing; it can be fun. But it's getting to the point of just sluttiness. And so many loved it! Honestly, would you date a guy like that? Wonderful as he is otherwise, I'd be afraid of catching something! I love Dean to pieces, so this is annoying. (And no, it's not some jealous fangirl stuff. As some may know, I liked him with Cassie and liked his interactions with some others.)

And why did the guys just stand there when the ghosts started attacking that guy? They didn't even try to help him! Dean even had his gun! He might have been out of rounds or something, but he could've at least said so! They just stood there! Very un-Winchester like, just like when they gave up on Madison so soon. And, come on, someone willing to kill--multiple people, at that!--over a movie? Like messing up someone's work is equal to murder? Give me a break! People in that business know good and well that that happens all the time. They wouldn't get into it if they couldn't handle it. I guess we were supposed to believe that he was really just that mental. But it just didn't work for me. This episode was just off.

I definitely love Supernatural humor in general and, again, loved "Tall Tales," but if they are planning anymore episodes like "Hollywood Babylon," I hope they unplan them.

ExtraCookie · Now that's what I'm talkin' about!

Supernatural is back! Very Happy

I really enjoyed last night's episode! Back to true Supernatural form. I loved the Deacon (that actor was good!) twist, didn't see it coming at all (though I admit I was trying to cook a late supper while watching part of the show, so I probably missed a few things!). Dean was a total treat and a pure joy from start to finish. ("I think I'm adorable." Oh my God, best line in the show. Dean, I *know* you are!) (Come to think of it, I loved Dean in jail in "The Usual Suspects" too! Dean incarcerated=fun! Sam was fun to watch in that one, too.) I loved every second he was on film. Not that Sam wasn't enjoyable, but Dean just really stood out in this one. I love watching him fight. I just do. Is that wrong? (I like watching both of them fight, for that matter.) This ep. had a nice, dark feel/look (like a SN ep. should). And just the whole getting into prison and back out thing was a lot of fun. They didn't disappoint me. It wasn't stupid (as I'd feared), it was clever and, though unlikely, believable enough. It was a tad unbelievable that the lawyer lied to Henrickson (sp?) and even more so that he didn't check out the info. himself, instead of just taking her word. He seems like too smart a cookie for that. But I forgive these things because the overall episode was so good. I couldn't believe it was already over when it ended; that's always a good sign.

Next week's episode looks to be excellent. I can hardly wait! (But shouldn't they have aged Mary a bit? She looked the same! POSSIBLE SPOILER: But then I guess since it is a "warped reality" thing, that's fine!)

Sarah

I really enjoyed last night's episode. Although I have to admit to being disappointed that they didn't fit the basketball-playing scene in. And oh MAN were the jumpsuits awful. Accented their arms really well, though...
This is one of my favourite ghosts looks-wise. The eyes were awesome! When she popped up in that little foodslot in solitary, I was totally psyched. Really well done for the make-up and graphics crews.
The adorable thing was totally adorable, yes. I have rewatched that one scene a million times already. *squeezes Dean* His expressions were, as usual, perfect and hilarious. I especially loved how he went from serious "Let it go" to smug and happy "See? Instant respect!" <3
I'd have liked to see more of them dealing with other people in their cells and stuff like that, but it's only an hour long and such so I'm not really too annoyed. Gotta fit in what you can and all.
It's a little doubtful that Henrickson wouldn't find out himself, but that could've taken too long and he needed to get on their trail three minutes ago. And I'm not all that surprised that she lied. Yes, she's putting her job on the line, but Henrickson was an asshole to her ("The grown ups are trying to work.") and she believed they were innocent. So. Not TOO unbelievable.
Loved the "We're screwed in Yemen." "Ooo not sure I'm ready to go that deep." thing. *amused*

chasingangel82

Sarah

Yes! And Sam asking "Doesn't it bug you?" And Dean answering with a straight-faced "No." <3

ExtraCookie · The dangers of underestimation and ego!

I just realized (yeah, I can be slow, but I tend to get there eventually! Wink

) why it is, actually, pretty believable after all that Henrickson (sp?) didn't double check their lawyer's info. 1. His big ego. 2. He underestimated Little Miss Lady Lawyer. You're right, Sarah, I'd forgotten about his condescending attitude towards her. Don't know if it's purely ego, or if he may be a bit of a sexist too. But, remembering that, it does make it more believable that he didn't check her info.; it probably didn't occur to him that she'd DARE disobey him! Ha! Yeah, that makes his facial expression in the end even funnier. I'd just been concentrating on his good detective work and intense focus on the guys.

This ego of his may be the Achilles heel that enables our guys to escape his grasp. Smile

Sarah

I bet he'd love that he was compared to Achilles too. *laughs*

But...and I don't mean this as like my own personal opinion or an accusation against the writing/production crews...have you noticed that the two guys on their trails, sort of crazy, and disliked intensely by the fans...are black men?

ExtraCookie · LOL Yes!

You read my mind! I was thinking that during or right after the last episode! Wasn't going to mention it, though! Surely it's just coincidence? Either that or at least one of the writers maybe sees black guys as badass or something?! Also interesting is that neither guy is actually a "bad" guy. Both of them actually think they're doing "good" by hunting down our guys. But, of course, we can't help but hate them since *we* know they're actually (accidentally) being bad by trying to be good. (Well, that was a mouthful!)

Here's something I may get cyber-smacked for: I actually have hope for Gordon. I think it'd be a cool twist for him to eventually come around and have his eyes opened up to those shades of gray he can't see. I'm sympathetic towards him because I know why he is like he is. Super freaky traumatic loss of a dear loved one at a young age (like our guys) with, apparently, no support system (unlike our guys, hence the difference in behavior and attitude). Seems like he does have the right general idea (ridding the world of evil things) but is (and pretty understandably) misguided. Having said that, I think everyone loves to hate him so much that the writers will probably never go that way with it. But I, for one, would think it a cool twist. Gordon is a hell of a hunter; imagine him on their side? (Don't worry; I'm not suggesting they become the 3 Musketeers. Just that he's like John; shows up now and then.) It'd be easy enough for them to write in an even better nemesis for our guys. (Actually, they pretty much already have, haven't they?) It would be a nice shocker to suddenly see Gordon pop up in an ep. and save the guys' asses; particularly Sammy's. Now, come on, wouldn't that be a fun shock? Maybe Gordon could have done a lot of thinking while locked up (I should think his escapades with the guys would give him plenty to think about) and ends up saving the guys from the *other* black nemesis. Fun! Very Happy

But not likely to actually happen, I guess. For, you see, I think a lot of fans are much like Gordon. . . can't see those shades of gray.

Sarah

You're totally right. And the thing is, as much as I was like "OH YES." when they slipped out from under Henrickson's nose, I felt kind of bad for the guy. He's just doing his job, trying to rid the world of two guys he sees as sicko serial killers. And Gordon honestly thinks Sam is evil, that Lenore couldn't change, that his sister was just a monster. It's not like they're bad people. They're just people who get a thought in their head, have it backed up by countless other people, and refuse to see the other side. They're righteous! Or so they think.

ExtraCookie · Exactly!

Amen, Sister! Very Happy

ExtraCookie · "What is and What Should Never Be"

Wow. Just . . . wow. I LOVED it! From the previews, I was afriad it would make me cry. It didn't, but I did get a tad misty eyed at some point or another (hey, it's hard to make me cry). What can I say? I just thought it was fantastic! Not a single slow second. I know very little about djin lore (so little I'm not even sure I spelled it correctly!) so I don't know how true to it they kept or what, exactly, they're supposed to look like (I've seen, I think, two filmed depictions: some Arabian Knights [is that correct?! Embarassed

] TV special on a few years ago and, sadly, Shaq turning into one in "Kazaam" [hey, it was a weekend, I was ill and alone, there was nothing else on except, probably, golf and I didn't feel like doing anything else, so I saw about 30 mins. of it! PITY ME!!!]) but I really liked SN's djin. I really dug how he basically looked like a weird, overly-tattooed dude with blue, glowy eyes and hands. Worked for me. I loved how concerned for and protective of Dean Sammy was in this episode (both in reality and fantasy) from start ("Pick me up first!" or "Come and get me!"-- Whatever he said) to (eventually) finish ("I thought I'd lost you!"). We normally see it the other way around. It was just beautiful watching it in reverse for a change. I know this was more a Dean episode, (and Jensen was great! But, come on, seriously, that's pretty much a given, right?!) but Sammy managed to to really touch me in this one too. Jared did a great job! (Know what else was in reverse? Dean saying "I got ya" to a victim! Sammy's rubbed off on him, don't ya think?) Smile

And did anyone else notice that Jared just looked especially delicious in this episode?! Embarassed

I can't believe I said that, (that was guttery!) but I did. Visually, he actually managed to distract my attention from Jensen a lot! What was it?? That his haircut is better now? Extra flattering lighting? The fact that he was dressed to kill most of the episode (of course, I've seen him dressed up before and it didn't command my attention this much)? The intrigue of seeing him be a different Sammy? What?! All I know is I couldn't take my eyes off of him and that's never happened! Is it just me?! Oh, well. Lookin' (extra) good, Jared! Embarassed

I think my favorite part was a quick, simple scene: Sammy getting into the Impala. Just . . . awwwww. *sniffle sniffle* Probably the second favorite was the whole "Bitch." "Why are you calling me a bitch?!" scene. Ah--ha ha ha!! Loved how Dean had to pick on his bro. even in his alternate reality. That's very Dean. Also loved watching Dean hug the hell out of Mary and Jess! OH, and how much did you love seeing the two J's youthful pictures?! Super cute! Photoshop is fun, huh?!

The end, with Sammy just being so sweet while Dean was so pained, and Sammy saying he was glad they were close . . . then Sammy saying how, despite the suckiness that goes along with it, saving all those lives was worth it (don't ya love how that came full circle from "Wendigo?" "Saving people, hunting things!") then ending with Dean's "I'm-not-so-sure-I-agree-at-this-point" look (poor Dean! So wrecked! Jensen does such a fabulous job [well, all the time, but especially] with that aspect!) . . . just exquisite. They both did a wonderful job.

And man, LOL, have you ever seen anyone so happy to mow a lawn?! Funny stuff! I thought that this ep. showed a lot about how Dean sees himself and about his self esteem. Notice in his alternate reality he was, though good at heart, a person who let his family down a lot and tended to be a ne'er-do-well? Does this mean in real life he realizes he is good at heart (and hopes someday he finds a special "her" who sees that) but feels he somehow manages to mess up a lot with his loved ones & often disappoints them (Sammy for sure and his mom for some reason [although why he'd think he'd be a disappointment to his mom, I'm not sure; maybe just because he thinks Sammy could be so "successful" while he would be less so])? And that he thinks he and Sammy are only close because of the bizarre direction their lives took? (Dean probably thinks that, if John had never disappeared, causing him to seek Sammy out at school, they would've drifted apart.) And does he think he'd like to be a mechanic and/or that that's the best he could do? Smile

Hmm. Intriguing stuff. Also, it was a lot of fun watching Alt. Reality Sammy get freaked out by the sudden realization that the supernatural was real! Again, Jared did a great job; lots of fun! It was very Dean-ish and just big-brother-ish that Sammy was depicted as freaking out like that lol.

I was bummed that John wasn't in it, but I didn't really think he would be. I'm sure they're saving that for last. Which is cool. And I hope it won't be the only time. I know, (apparently) everybody else hates John. But I don't!! (And neither do the guys!)

Question: If that whole deal was supposed to be purely inside Dean's head, then why did we get "audience only" views?! Such as seeing Sammy on the phone and after he hung up? That doesn't jibe. It was for us, I know, but it was inconsistent with the whole thing supposedly being strictly viewed by Dean in his head.

OK, the preview for next week has me extra excited. I hate that we've only the 2 eps. left, but I'm anxious to see them! It looks very exciting and dramatic. And Bobby's back!!!!!! Very Happy

And if there isn't a season 3, we will all have to . . . riot or something! No season 3 would be an outrage! Evil or Very Mad

Sorry that got so long! Embarassed

It was just such a great episode!!

Sarah

Wow, this is so late.

I DID cry. My MOM cried. We cried like babies. When he walked up to the door and asked "Mom?" she asked let out a little sniffly hiccup. *laughs*

The entire episode was fantastic, as you said. It's djinn, but for some reason people online have been spelling it Jin. o.O Anyway, I thought the djinn's make-up and MO were both great. They really put a cool spin on it. And ARG I can't even EXPRESS how good the entire AU sequence was. <3333333

...oh dear. Sick is the ONLY excuse I'll give you for watching that. I've managed to avoid it.

YES. Sam has always been worried for Dean, as is obvious more in Faith, Devil's Trap and In My Time of Dying more than any other episode, but little comments like those, and the way he deliberately prodded at Dean to get him to open up about his state of mind show us that the concern and worry are reciprocal, which makes me happy.

Oh god, the preppy thing was so funny at the beginning. But the SUIT. And his hair ACTUALLY LOOKED GOOD FOR ONCE. I wanted to glomp him in a serious SERIOUS way. I don't know that he distracted me from Jensen. I'd say it filled the screen up with more pretty. I miss cute!Sam from season one. Season two has been filled with badhair!Sam. I mean, he was looking hot in Born Under a Bad Sign and Heart, but he looked hot in this one too. <3 I think it's because he was more well-groomed rather than frumpy and unkempt. We never really see Dean frumpy. He's always doing his best to look his best. And his hair is like...unbad. It's impossible for it to be bad.

*giggle* That whole scene was love, yes. That and the scene where he woke up and Sam said 'I thought I'd lost you' and the scene at the end where he looked all insecure when Dean said they didn't get along and he asked 'I thought it was supposed to be a perfect fantasy' and then 'I'm glad we do [get along]'. The connection between the brothers in each of those scenes just gave me the warm fuzzies.

Those pics are so going to end up online. *laughs*

YES. They have so switched roles. Sam because he's been thrown into this and told that it was essentially his fault, and it's him this is happening to. And Dean because he's now lost two of his loved ones and has been told the third, the last person he has left in the world, is probably going to turn evil and he'll have to kill him. Sam's learned he can't run, and Dean's learned that running looks a lot more attractive when you end up with only one thing left to protect before you lose it all.

*snort* HELL NO. That killed me. And the SONG. <3

Actually I think the not-getting-along part stems more from the fact that growing up, Dean played Mom to Sam a lot. And they were really close, all each other had, and it was his job to protect Sammy. So he'd never have slept with Sam's prom date or stolen his ATM card or whatever else. Whereas in reality, they were that close growing up, and their lifestyle led to Dean having to watch out for him and give HIM money to live, etc.
I think you're right about how he sees himself though. He's implied more than once that hunting, stealing, hustling, is all he's good for. We all know that's very VERY likely totally untrue. But Dean thinks it is, so that translates to him not being successful like Sam, still hustling and stealing. And the drinking -- well, in their reality, it wasn't a big deal. But mom's never really approve of heavy drinking from their children, so I think he believes she would've been disappointed in him for drinking (notice all the references to it) and for the direction his "career" went.
When it comes to Dean thinking he and Sam would've drifted if not for John...I don't think so. He was confident enough in their relationship that he broke into his house, horsed around and joked around with him, asked him to go with him, and didn't bother looking all unsure of himself, etc. He was honestly surprised ("Why not?!") when Sam said he wouldn't go with him. I think he's more confident in Sam's love for him (if not in his ability to stay with him) than he is confident in John's or in his own abilities. Which is why he was completely confused and blown-away when AU!Sam didn't want anything to do with him. To him, they are BROTHERS and that's all that matters -- that clears all wrongs, and endures all hardships.

I don't really hate John. I think he's a great character. I dislike his treatment of the boys and think he was a pretty crappy father on the whole. But I understand his motives, his issues, his reasons...so it's not so much hate as disapproval of the way he raised/treated his sons.
I think one of the most telling moments of how the boys were brought up was in Dead Man's Blood when he showed up again and Sam got upset that he was taking charge, as usual, after everything they had been through together. He was happier being alone with Dean, working together, knowing and helping each other. They boys were used to being left on their own together, even at young ages, and so were totally comfortable with it. And daddy coming home interrupted that harmony.

Oh don't even TALK about no season 3. *cries*

ExtraCookie

ExtraCookie · All Hell Breaks Loose

It wasn't as dramatic or something as I expected, but it was very interesting and action-packed. It was great to see Bobby again, even though he seemed to only get 5 mins. of screen time! It's always fun watching Sam do his calm, cool leader thing. I'm glad Ava's dead, I found her a tad annoying. I don't remember feeling that way about her in her other ep. The woman who portrayed her is a pretty good actress, though! I was impressed with how she went straight from crying to smug and evil.

Um, shouldn't someone have rushed up that tower to be SURE that blonde chick was dead?! Sometimes people look dead when they're not. And other times people have *just* died and could be revived. (Although I guess they couldn't try that with her! I mean it seemed implied that it was just her hands that killed, but they didn't make it clear.) Oh, well. I know, I get hung up on the details, but I NOTICE the details and details help sell a show.

Why do only some demons have colored eyes? Is the yellow-eyed demon not possessing someone? Is that the difference? Can there be demons who just look like people or who can shapeshift? I know, it's another detail!

I liked the whole ghost town thing. But why the hell would there have been convenient *sacks* of salt sitting around? (Very improbable period; even more so knowing little Miss Demonic Powers Rule has been there for days. Wouldn't she have already looked for such things so they couldn't interfere with her powers and plans?! Or were they deliberately put there as part of the demonic power smack down test?) And why would there be a new padlock on the building Ava was in? Did a demon go and get it to help with the ruse once they realized she was with the program? (Would that really be necessary?!) And why didn't the others seem more afraid of the blonde chick? They didn't seem too worried. If it were me, I'd have always been looking around to see where the hell Miss Death Hands was and making sure to keep my distance!

I really couldn't believe Sam put down his weapons. I could. But I couldn't. It's so Sammy, but even Sammy should've known better. I know he must not have known what else to do to make a show of faith but . . . man, Sammy! I don't think Dean would've done that, or let him do that if he knew he wanted to. It's OK, they've proven over and over again how smart Sammy is, so I know he's not stupid, but that was just an annoyingly stupid thing for them to have him do. But it's OK. *Sigh* Sammy. Sheesh.

OK, I call FLUB: When Dean had his vision and Bobby asked him what was inscribed on the bell, he said he didn't know. Then when Bobby asked if it was an oak (?) tree, Dean was instantly like "Yeah, exactly!" (or however he said it). Um, how do you go from having no idea one second to knowing exactly what it was in the other? That could've been written better!

Anyway, overall a very good episode that left us with a terrific cliffhanger. But I liked last week's episode better.

Sarah

Sarah · Re: All Hell Breaks Loose

ExtraCookie

He so does. I loved his season 1 hair. It just worked for me. He looks so much older with his hair all parted like that. Yet it's also circa 2001 GG!Dean hair and that makes me cringe a little. --*SNICKER* I saw Jared in GG just a day or 2 ago at the house I was pet-sitting in! I have never watched GG but they were showing an ep. from 2000 and I wondered if he was in it then, so I turned to it and there he was! I instantly started snickering! His hair was SO geeky! Lol! When you looked at the face under that hair, he was a cutie. But the hair just cracked me up!

Um. Well. I've always thought of glomping as like tackle-hug-climbing with lots of squeezing, nuzzling and random kisses. Er. If that makes sense. *cough* Ignore me. I've spent too much time in the Harry Potter fandom. I still say things like 'I'm just t00bing around' and 'Omg I wanna schnoogle you!' Soooo... --Thank you, that clears things up!

Actually, I have a theory as to why Dean subconsciously believed that he and Sam wouldn't have gotten along if Mary had been there. I don't think it has anything to do with them not talking for two years, because before those two years, we assume they got along really well -- Dean's confusion in AU Land just suggests that even more. He thought they wouldn't have gotten along because they are so different, and without Dean taking over the role of Sammy's protector and sort-of-mother-figure as children, they wouldn't have had that special bond and he wouldn't have developed that desire to protect Sam from anything painful at all costs. The Dean we know would NEVER sleep with his Sammy's prom date, and cause him that sort of pain -- but he still says 'Yeah that sounds like me' because he thinks he's a total slut. Even when he was playfully hitting on Jess, he immediately acknowledged Sam's "claim" on her by saying "your boyfriend" and then never mentioned her looks or anything ever again. But he believes that in AU Land, he would've been able to indulge the side of him that was tempered through necessity by being another parental figure for Sam. And without that reliance, without that bond, and without that mediating factor, he thinks they wouldn't have become close like they did in Real Life. Then again, I think Dean is wrong and Sam wouldn't have disliked him like that. Dean has pretty low self esteem, and seeing himself as working at his dad's garage, stealing and getting into debt, drinking too much and hurting his family with his behaviour just shows us that all over again. --That is a very good theory!

ExtraCookie · Re: All Hell Breaks Loose

ExtraCookie · All Hell Breaks Loose Part 2

WOOOOW. I. Freakin'. LOVED. it!!!!!!!! It was just what I wanted! Pretty much perfect! Everyone (well, Jake didn't do much for me) did such a great job!! And, wow, poor Jensen! Look at how many freakin' emotional, teary/crying scenes he had to do! He was AWESOME! Would someone give the boy an award already?!! That *perfect* scene with Bobby at his place just killed me! Mr. Beaver was perfect ( Laughing

Mr. Beaver sounds funny, like some mascot for a kid's show, but I forgot his first name! Embarassed

Shut up! I have a lot on my mind! Smile

)! He did that scene *exactly* like I wanted him to, from grabbing and shoving Dean to the perfect facial expressions, to everything he said (which was perfectly written)--just great. And Dean's interaction, great. Poor Bobby! I'm so glad Sammy figured out what happened! (Which I expected him to do almost immediately, but since he didn't, I was half afraid it would be another cliff-hanger thing like John's whispers to Dean last season.) I was feeling awfully sorry for Bobby! Man, the Winchesters have a thing for making people keep dark, agonizing secrets, don't they?! That expression on Bobby's face when he saw Sammy at the door was priceless! I cracked up! And Dean's answering expression, the same!

The whole hell gate/war/giant devil's trap/etc. stuff was really interesting and well done (and it's so easy for stuff like that to be cheesy!). I was surprised, actually, that the demon is already dead! The long-sought Winchester dish of revenge has been served!

But, that's good, though. Time to move on to some more stuff (the war). Can't wait! And, of course . . . JOOOOOOOHHHHHHHNNNNN!!!! It was so wonderful to see him again! But so cruel of them to give just a small taste! He didn't even speak!! Oh, SN can be so mean sometimes!!! But I hear that's not the last we'll see of him, so I'm SO happy, of course! Even though it freaked the others out, I LOVED it that Sammy shot the hell outta Jake! I was literally cheering!

Jared cried excellently again. And, seriously, what is going on with him lately? He was looking extra good again! Is he borrowing his girlfriend's skincare products or . . . uh . . . something? Maybe it really is just the hair! Or maybe it's cuz he's maturing?! I dunno! He just looks extra good to me lately! His acting is improving, too! (Not that it was ever bad! But it's getting even better.)

That brother moment toward the end, Dean begging Sammy not to be mad at him (ow . . . heart . . . *hurting!* Dean's expression! His voice! Jensen is just too good! And how perfect was it that Sammy instantly obeyed and wasn't? That's so Sammy.) and Sammy's aknolwedgment of all Dean's done for him and desire to repay him. And Sammy's declaration that he'd do anything for Dean and that he'd get him out of this (and he will, of course!)--just wonderful. The guys did such a fantastic job. *APPLAUSE* Oh, by the way--I cried! Yep. That part got me. Oh, and, earlier--THERE, people, ya finally got yer dang hug!! Happy now? Very Happy

It was a totally lovely hug, I must say! Again, I bet the two Js were a bit sick of each other after shooting this ep.! Smile

Truthfully, the thought of all these months dragging by with no new episodes just makes me squirmy and very unhappy. Of course, I'll be glad to rewatch the old ones and really analyze them (my friend is supposed to send me all of them on DVD, so I'll be able to analyze like the rest of you have been already! Yay!). But I'm just super anxious for next season! They set up a lot of things (a whole good vs. evil WAR! That's so cool!) that I can't wait to see play out. Sammy evil? John back? (How I hope he's back for more than 1 or 2 eps.! Please be recurrent, John!) How will the war go? Where's Jo (boy, that one's gonna keep me up at night!---PSYCHE! :lol:But, seriously, I do wonder)? How will Sammy save Dean? (Surely John'll have a hand in that!) When's the law gonna catch back up with them? When's Gordon gonna show up again? Will they get back to their typical ghost busting in between demon battles? (I hope so!) And, yes, will Sammy see Sarah again and will Dean see Cassie again? I really can't wait! Supernatural did a fantastic job on this!!! OK, I'll shut up now!

ExtraCookie · P.S.

And, of course, the flashback-to-the-pilot-in-reverse ending was just too wonderful!!!!!! LOVED it SO much! The writers of this show seem to really understand how attached its fans are to the show and know the moments we love best. They must actually listen to us or something! That was just fun!

P.P.S. Can someone tell me what Dean said right after Bobby and Ellen said something about hoping the boys were ready for the war? When he got his cocky expression? It was just one or two words, right before the above mentioned sweet scene. Help!

Sarah · Re: All Hell Breaks Loose Part 2

ExtraCookie · Re: All Hell Breaks Loose Part 2

DING DONG THE YED IS DEAD, GET OUT OF BED, YOU SLEEPYHEAD, DING DONG THE EVIL YED IS DEEEEAD!
...*cough*
Am so glad DEAN got to do the honours. Bwaha. -- Laughing

SING IT, GIRL!!

John didn't NEED to speak. All three Winchester boys used their Eye Beams of Love! I feel that John smiling like that at Dean was like saying "Hey. Stop feeling guilty. I did it because I love you, and I don't regret it. And I'm so happy the YED is dead. Good for you guys. <3" --Well, not that he *needed* to speak; I just selfishly *wanted* him to. It's been too long since I've heard his voice! But, yes, those eyeball love rays (perhaps you should trademark that term?) were plenty effective!

ExtraCookie · Pffft!

"But I hear that's not the last we'll see of him, so I'm SO happy, of course!" --Never mind that! That was bad info.! I hope we do see him again, though!

Sarah · SEASON THREE STARTS HERE

SEASON THREE EPISODE DISCUSSION STARTS HERE!

Hey guys! It's a new season! Can I get a "HELL YEAH!" from the peanut gallery please?!

Okay, so 3x01 "The Magnificent Seven".

I watched it Thursday, downloaded it right when it came out on LJ, and have discussed it with my good friend Tracy (also a member here, but she never posts, le sigh!). So I feel I have many of my thoughts about this in order.

It was not my favourite premier. The pilot and "In My Time of Dying" are pretty hard to top, and this one didn't come close. But I still enjoyed it. It was a good episode, and it did introduce the season pretty well. I sort of wish less new characters and hunters had been involved, but I see why they had to be.

Ruby's presence was a little...okay, a LOT random. The whole "wham bam, see ya later boys" thing didn't make much sense to me. Was just weird. And her disappearing act...at first I was like o.O "Sam's not slow..." but now that I've read spoilers, it makes more sense. So hang in there.

SO let's go back to the beginning. HOW MUCH AM I IN LOVE WITH THESE BOYS? SO MUCH.

Dean. Thumbs up. Nipples showing through his wifebeater. Most adorable fucking thing ever. I cannot get over how goddamn CUTE that hardass sonuvabitch is. <3 Jensen is so awesome. And the way Dean is just HIGH on life and sex and hunting and way too happy...it's obvious that he's trying to project himself as happy in hopes that Sam'll back off and so that maybe he can actually start to feel it. Although I also think that he IS genuinely relieved to be rid of the stress and worry, and to have Sam back with him.

Sam. The indulgent little smile he sends Dean, and the affectionate shake of the head! And WOW his face when he walked in on Dean doing the nasty had me in tears I was laughing so hard. And GOUGING HIS EYES OUT!

(WINCEST WARNING: Methinks the lady doth protest too much.)

And awwwwwwww their little argument at the end. Dean being so determined to have as much fun as he can and keep Sam from dying by saving him, and Sam trying to keep Dean from dying and....gah.

BUT WOW. DEAN FINALLY HAS A SENSE OF ENTITLEMENT?

*jawdrop*

I honestly didn't see that coming. I think he's right, though. This is like...the first honestly selfish thing he's ever done, and it's because he can't live with his Sammy. *tear* Sad

Oh boys.

Moving right along, I still have such love for Bobby. Sort of sad that he's more present in the show than John was, but I guess at this point, that can't be helped. And John was never supposed to have been present, right? So.

Tamara...I didn't mind her, but I'm not as in love as some. I think her head's not really in the right place. She wasn't prepared, and she really is too wrecklessly cocky. But I did appreciate that she kept her husband's trap shut when he started running it off. Felt bad for her that she lost her husband, even if he did patronise her and wouldn't say he loved her back.

So Isaac. I didn't like him at all. I mean, I didn't want him to die, but I could've done without ever meeting his character. I get GORDON more than I get him. He spouts off accusations about the Devil's Gate and how the boys opened it, blah blah blah, when they didn't, and he patronises his wife twice in one scene (when he rolls his eyes and responds to her querie about the stake and again when he says "Sure, locked my keys in the car..." etc), he responded with "I know" when Tamara told him she loved him, and even looked a little exasperated... Arg. I just didn't like him.

But his death scene? UGH. I actually had to turn my face away. That was so disgusting. Thumbs up, Kripke! For the first time, you actually made me turn my face away! And I mean EVERY TIME I watch it. I just can't make myself look while he starts spitting up blood. *shudders violently* Gah!

Gotta say I liked Envy's little speech. And Pride's. <3 Find it interesting that they all wanted to stop and meet Sam, and to go after him. "Boy King". XD Dude. And Sam's face. <3 And Sam going "Let me guess...you're pride" all deadpanned. Haha!

And the little tiff with the boys! "A girl can fight better than you!" "Three demons, Dean. At once." "Yeah, yeah, whatever you gotta tell yourself to get you through the night, buddy." *snort*

So okay. I'm going to slowly DIE this week because I DESPERATELY want to see 3x02 "The Kids Are Alright" but I'll be at a Tegan and Sara concert from 7-whenever. So I'll have to wait and download it when I get home. *cries*

ExtraCookie · ???!!!!!Can It Be?!!

Hmm, this person seems familiar. . . wait. . . no, it can't be! Is it?! SARAH?! Is that you?! I thought maybe you died or got abducted by slow-dancing aliens or something!! Good to "see" ya, girl!!! Very Happy

OK, let's see. I liked it, and it went by too soon. And I was just so super enthusiastic about just seeing everyone again. And, just randomly: BOBBY IN A SUIT!! AHAHAHAHA!!!! Laughing

I loved that; it cracked me up. He looked good! But so NOT Bobby-like! BUT it had some major glitches for me. Best line? "So I can gouge my eyes out." Ahh, Sammy. Heh heh.

First, I just didn't care for the physical embodiment of the seven deadly sins, period. It just seemed kinda hokey. I didn't hate it, but it just didn't quite do it for me. Making some human vices into literal, living beings was just not so very groovy to me. Second: I liked the hunter couple just fine (I've thought for a while now that it would be cool to see a married/long-time-involved hunter couple. So, when I first saw them, I thought, "Cool!"). BUT they just seemed so random! They popped in and popped out. Like they were only invented to cause the demons to be allowed in that cabin. If we get more story on them later, that would appease me.

Third: OK, the Key of Solomon thing. Um, WHAT?! When did they have time to paint that sucker?! Wasn't that place an abandoned shack?! Where was the paint?! Where were the ladders?! (Of course, with Sammy there, maybe no ladders were needed!) Where were they, by the way?! I can't remember! Maybe it was some place Bobby owned and he just happened to already have that painted on the ceiling for just such occasions?! I dunno; guess I should watch it again!

Fourth: YES, I know where Dean's coming from. And I feel for the guy. Big time. And I liked seeing him upbeat. But I don't like this new selfish Dean. You heard me. I don't. I don't care how much good you've done and how much you've sacrificed, it does NOT give you the right to start hurting people who love you and not caring about their feelings. (All that stuff wasn't Sammy's fault; why should he pay?) All the agony he went through when his dad save his life like that, and he's perfectly willing to put Sammy through that same pain. (I understand him making the deal. And I'm for it. I'm just not for him giving up without a fight; not caring that he'll damage Sammy. I don't like Dean, who has always been so (apparently) passionate about saving people, suddenly not caring anymore. It's so not Dean! And that passion about being a hero has always been my favorite thing about him, I think. And why does his "light at the end of the tunnel" have to be death?! He's too smart for that! There's a world full of options! If he doesn't want to hunt anymore, fine! No need to die, though!) And poor Sammy didn't even bother fighting it. And why aren't the boys thinking? There must be a legit way to save Dean. A way that won't count as welching (sp.?). I'm wondering if someone else isn't going to sacrifice themselves to save both boys. As long as it's not Bobby, that'd be cool. We've already lost John, I simply couldn't take a dead Bobby. Seriously, if Kripke did that, I couldn't forgive him (Uh, unless he brought John back somehow?!). *Sniff* If they were real, I'd do it!! Um. Maybe. Hm. Hell. Well, I don't actually believe in hell, so. . . But in Supernatural, it apparently exists. So--OK, I'm getting confused!

I'm thinking the combo of John's death and Sammy's possible demon ties, in addition to a seemingly unwinable (sp.?!) war looming have brought Dean's give-up attitude on. He sure wasn't like this before. He was the one always pounding it through Sammy's head how great it was to save people from evil. That it was rewarding. It's like John was half his heart and Sammy's the other half, and John's gone and Sam could end up gone (at least his soul) so the fight's gone out of him. Or even, dare I say it, he's feeling cowardly. Not wanting to face up to any of this evil unknown shit anymore. Not wanting to maybe watch his brother be recruited by demons (um, what happened with that?! Is Sammy supposed to be cured now? I should really catch up on my spoilers!). Missing his dad too much. He needs to snap the hell out of it, is all I've got to say. I think Sammy and Bobby will make him come around. Or (sorry, but. . .) he'll get a woman (that'd do it!). I've got faith.

OK, last glitch: WHY DOES EVERYONE BLAME THEM FOR OPENING THE HELL GATE?! Was I high even though I don't do drugs when I watched that episode or what?! JAKE opened the gate! They tried to stop him! They were just there!! Are people counting their failure to stop it as being the same as opening it?! That's hardly fair, is it?! I didn't see any other hunter or any other person period having been smart enough to figure out what was going on and getting there to at least *try* to stop it! I just don't get the whole blaming them thing! Please explain this to me, I beg of you! I saw JAKE opening the gate, while the guys tried to keep Ellen from blowing her brains out. (And Ellen and Bobby at least managing to close the gate before any MORE baddies escaped!) Did I miss something?!! Is it that they think they should've sacrificed Ellen? And by the way, how the HELL did word travel so fast?! How did it travel at all?!! Weren't the boys, Ellen, Bobby and Jake the only ones there?! What, did the loosed demons go around blabbing it to people or something?! I'm a tad annoyed at people just knowing about this! Dammit, you can't just have them know it without telling us how they know it! Irritating! Oh, and why don't the guys defend themselves when they get accused of that?! They just act like, "Yep, you're right, we sure did open that damned gate. Shame on us." WHAT?!!

I thought the magic-knife chick (was this Miss Cassidy (sp?)) was interesting. *shrug* We'll see. Loved Dean's dig at Sammy and adored Sammy's "Three demons. At once." reply. SO CUTE!!

I'm glad to see next week's episode isn't demon based. I've really never found demons all that interesting, although Supernatural does the best with them that I've seen (character wise. I admit, I'd rather see old-school horns and hooves, etc. visually. Yes, I'm old-fashioned!). I much more love the ghost and folk-lore creature busting. I keep hoping for another episode as spine-tingling as "Bloody Mary." And, man, I hope the vampires come back!

Summary: Liked it, had a good time but it could've been much better.

Of course, you know I could say more, but I'll shut up now! Hope you're still awake!

Sarah · Re: ???!!!!!Can It Be?!!

ExtraCookie · Good God, How We Blab This Much?! Lol

"How much of a slap would it be for them to find out that the Winchesters killed the thing that attacked their kid, and then they turned around and falsely accused them of opening the gate and letting all the demons out? *ponders*" Ooh ooh ooh!! YEAH! That would be awesome!! Send this idea to Supernatural, NOW Exclamation

Yes, those lines were great too!

Yes, about Dean's state of mind, I agree. BUT Dean is wrong, of course, and I think he needs to realize it. SOON. I absolutely think making The Deal was the right move. (*That* wasn't selfish, to me. It was the only right option. Same with John when he made *his* deal. Sammy even realizes this, as much as he hates it and can't stand it.) All I object to is him not bothering to even think of finding a legit way (a way that won't kill Sammy) out of it. And being so non-chalant about it to Sammy, knowing full well Sammy's agonizing over it like Dean agonized over John's deal. To him just throwing his hands up, even though it'll mean devastating his little brother/son(!!), for life, and having his "I'm entitled" attitude. That's not the good-hearted, heroic Dean I know.

He *should* see that there could be a life outside hunting. You're right, it wouldn't be easy. He IS on the FBI radar (big time, I assume), etc. But, woman, he's Dean Winchester! He could disappear & live basically normally (at least peacefully) if he wanted to! There are other countries. There are fugitives that are never apprehended. He's so good (as is Sammy), he could probably make it happen right here in the U.S.! Personally, of course, what I want to see is him rediscovering his zest for life and passion for the hunt. Remembering how important and fulfilling it is to save people. And realizing that everything Sammy said in WIAWSNB about it being "worth it" (reversing how things were in Season 1) is true! It's easy for just about any person to look at all the evil (just normal evil, let alone the evil in Supernatural world) and throw their hands up & give in. But what you have to do is hold your HEAD up and your FIST up, say "Bring it on," and do the best you can and realize that any little good difference you can make in this world is worth it! (And Dean's made more good differences in "this" world than normal people could dream of!) I feel that this will happen. It has to. Our Dean, as we know and love him, will rally. It would suck too much if he didn't. And Eric and co. don't seem interested in giving us a show that sucks.

Ya know, he should think of Sammy and maybe be a tad ashamed. Sammy had a rough childhood too. (In some ways, just as rough, if not rougher, than Dean's! At least Dean wasn't in the dark for so long about everything. And at least Dean and John had a friendship. Sammy and John, apparently, didn't. I think they loved each other fiercely. But they were never friends. He must've felt pretty left out!) Sammy lost his mom and dad too. AND the love of his life (Hello?! Had to watch her dying at that!). And he knows there's something demonically scary and freaky going on with him (?). AND he, too, is facing Armageddon and life as a fugitive. AND he knows his brother--all the family he has left--is pretty much as good as dead (because [through no fault of his own, of course] of HIM, no less!), and HE'S still got some fight in him! Yeah, Dean's had some more responsibilities put on him than Sammy, etc. But still--all things considered, it's pretty even! Yeah, Sammy had a rough, gloom-and-doom patch after learning of his demon involvment, but he never said he *wanted* to die. Or even to give up. Nor was he non-chalant in his attitude about any of it with Dean. He was straight-forward, but not uncaring and blase. He didn't crack jokes about turning evil, etc. (Althouh, yes, I admit, Dean's not-long-to-live joking was funny *to me.* It wasn't to Sammy, though.) He knew Dean was worried sick about it all, and was considerate of that. Dean needs to take his cue from this! He needs to let himself be schooled by Sammy for a change!

Bummer the concert's on Supernatural night, but at least this is the age of technological thingamajiggies(???) that can at least allow you to see it later! Hope the concert is good!

What?! Returning vampires you say?! Off to the spoiler section I go!

VampySix

For the most part, I agree with both of you. I, too, didn't like the hunter couple blaming them for opening the gate. I, however, couldn't get beyond them blaming the Winchesters for opening to gate to like them as a hunter couple, like them at all for that matter. They were too condenscending for me, like they were better than Bobby and the boys. I did wonder why Bobby and the boys were smart enough to sit in the car outside the bar and scope it out before going in, but the hunter couple didn't have the same sense. These 3 cannot be the only smart hunters in the whole group. Can they? I get that they're better than most, but how do any of them live if they're this lacksidasical in their information getting techniques?

But, I did love the scene in the bar where he drank the Drano or whatever it was. I didn't turn my head, but I watched it through squinted eyes and was gagging for him all the while.

I wondered why the magic-knife chick (as you called her) was so interested in Sam? Why didn't she hang around after saving his life? Why is she trying to be all mysterious and all? She's another hunter I get that, but why play the vanishing act afterward?

The fact that the Pride group came after Sam was cool. Wouldn't that be so like Pride to want to take out the Chosen One? Pride would have too much pride to not go after Sam. And lust going after Dean was priceless. I thought Dean had bought into it for just a second. The line that Dean was the bilboard for lust and gluttony made me laugh in agreement. But, hey, just watching Dean makes me lustful.

I don't know what to make of this overly happy (appearing to be overly happy anyway) Dean. I know he's trying to live fancy-free and footloose his last year, but it felt forced to me. I get why he's acting like this, hoping maybe to keep Sam from feeling bad when he's gone in a year, but come on. Dean knows how he felt when his dad did it to him, so shouldn't it be obvious to him how Sam would and does feel about it? Or is he trying to make Sam think he is okay with it? And I do think he's okay with it so long as Sam's not killed, but the normal Dean would be okay with living too if they could figure a way out of the deal. I'm not sure that made a lick of sense. Anyway, they've got to get Dean back on track. I don't know how long I can take him being all depressed and shit.

Overall, I did think this was a good episode. I think I'd have enjoyed it even if it was horrible, the worst ever. I was too excited about it returning not to enjoy it. I still need to go back and re-watch. I always pick up on something else I missed the first time. My son enjoyed it and he thankfully didn't get the "gouge my eyes out" scene, but it was still funny. He laughed even though he didn't know what Dean was doing. He got the humor of it without the knowing part. The "three demons at once" quote was good too, along with Dean's brotherly smartass comebacks. That's something my son knows well--he eats, sleeps and breathes, smartass comments to his little brother.

I can't wait until tomorrow night. Sorry about the concert interferring with the show, but thank god for technology. I'll be at my son's youth football game, so I feel your pain. I'll just DVR it and watch it a couple of hours late. Thank God for DVR!!! I love it.

If you loved seeing Bobby in a suit, try checking him out in the movie Next with Nicholas Cage. It took me a few seconds to figure out who he was, but when I said "That's Bobby off Supernatural" my son agreed and got all excited. WOW! Who knew he could clean up so much.

Oh, and Sarah, here's my big "HELL, YEAH" right back at you!!!!!

Sarah

VampySix

First off, let me just say I'm sorry, but I'm computer stupid and I cannot figure out how to quote correctly like Sarah and ExtraCookie, so please forgive my idiocy! I'm getting ancient and all this new fangled technology screws with the ancient database in my noggin. That being said, all my comments are in red! Very Happy

Sarah

ExtraCookie · I'm Just Sayin'

Sorry, I still say Dean shouldn't be so non-chalant to Sammy about this. He doesn't have to talk about it and get all touchy feely. He just doesn't have to be an ass about it. That's all. Sad

P.S. Thanks for the quotation tutorial! I, too, didn't know how to do that! Knowing me, I'll try it and still get it wrong! I should start practicing!

ExtraCookie · The Kids Are Alright

3x02 The Kids Are Alright starts here!

What a cool episode! It seemed to last longer somehow, thankfully! Maybe I just wasn't as wound up as I was when the premier episode aired, which made it fly by.

Nice buzz-saw-accident shot! Ewww! Cool! This ep. really did feel like a little horror movie.

The creatures were cool; would've enjoyed seeing them more.

Am I the only one wondering if that kid's mom was lying about Dean not being his dad? The way that kid behaved? Come on! She's lying, right? I'm not sure I want either of them to be a dad right now, but I could roll with it. If he found out it was true in time, maybe that'd make him decide he doesn't want to get to that hellfire at the end of the tunnel after all. By the way, I thought that chick and Dean looked good together.

Sammy researching on, behind Dean's back (of course). Talkin' to Bobby. AWWWWW. I thought the ordering pizza excuse was too stupid for Sammy, though. And that Dean would've been suspicious. Maybe he was and didn't let on. I dunno. Funny, and I enjoyed Sammy's uncomfy expression, but stupid.

Ruby (is that her name?) is a demon?! No way! Although I wondered if that might be the case when I heard about this character's "twist." This is VERY interesting! I liked how she talked fast and put out the key points quickly. Otherwise, it would be stupid that Sammy didn't instantly waste her. Also, Miss Cassidy (what's her first name? Katie?! I suck at remembering names, as you can see!) is a fine actress, I think! She did well!

Finally, more stuff on Mary and the demon! I'm on the edge of my seat and can't wait to find out what this is all about!

Dean with kids. . . AWWW, as usual.

OK, that chick drowning the creature/kid?! That doesn't seem realistic. If that were me, I'd damned sure go to a shrink and any other kind of doctor I could think of before resorting to something like that! I'd want to be damned sure I wasn't just going nuts or ill before drowning what could be my own kid! Sheesh! But it did make for the creature's creepy re-entry. That little actress was good. Creepy. *shudder*

It was both weird and a little cool not seeing the boys together much. It's more realistic, I know, but I'm just used to them being together all the time and like it better. But it was refreshing.

Jensen was so expressive in this one! His expressions are so priceless! He's just sooo good! That look he had right before stumbling into the trash can or whatever?! Loved it! And a bunch of other expressions. He was just really "on."

"Does that make me Pokey?" I'm ashamed I laughed at that. That was stupid. But, yeah, it was still funny. Laughing

This will date me, but: I remember watching that show when I was little. Heh heh. Yep. And yet, I'm not sure I spelled Pokey right. Poky? Bah. I *was* little!

Sammy's/Jared's hair is looking better, yes? 'Bout time!

I guess that's it! Felt like old school Supernatural with fun surprises. Had fun! Smile

Sarah · Re: The Kids Are Alright

AHHH! Of all the episodes to miss! I thought it was really good. Very Happy

Everything about it! <3 Funny, scary (and I mean, wtf kind of scary...ugh, kids are CREEPY), gory, an awesome mythology, Sam finding out about Mary, Dean reacting to Ben, the brother!love... *flop*

So okay. Let's start with what you said, Cookie!

Sarah

Wow, so...the shit really hit the fan on this thread over @ CW. Check it out, guys! See if you think I'm a crackpot or completely wrong or if they're just being ridiculous!

ExtraCookie · Re: The Kids Are Alright

Sarah · Re: I'm Just Sayin'

Sarah · Re: The Kids Are Alright

ExtraCookie · Re: The Kids Are Alright

First, Hi Vampy!!! Good to "see" ya! Now:

ExtraCookie · Bad Day at Black Rock

3x03 Bad Day at Black Rock starts here!

What a FUN episode! It was just pure, awesome fun from start to finish! It had action, fun stunts (Man, that whole shootout/fight scene with the two thieves--I was laughing and wide-eyed! That must've taken forever to choreograph and get right!), intrigue, GORDON!!, Bobby calling Dean an "idjit" (Jim, I love you! You're too cool!) and humor. That was the most fun episode they've done in a while!

Let's see: I was excited to see Gordon again. It didn't seem to ring true, him willing to work with a nut job like that Jesus freak, but I guess when it comes to getting something done that he feels super passionate about, he'll do anything. It did help that he had that yeeahh,-whatever reaction to the guy's pronouncement of being led by God. (No, I don't remember the exact line, but I bet y'all do!) Too bad poor Gordon's so intent on doing "good" that he doesn't care to do bad to make it happen. Tunnel vision's a bitch. (And oh my God, I read that spoiler, Sarah! I didn't see that coming! That is SOOO awesome! I cannot WAIT for that episode!!! Man, someone really got their cool creative juices flowing on that one! Oh, the coolness potential! SO juicy!) I like how good Supernatural is at making characters with depth. Gordon's not just some one-dimensional baddie to just hate. He's interesting and multi-faceted. And sometimes likeable. ("That's my mama you're talkin' about.") Oh, and scary. Let's not forget scary.

How hilarious was Jared in this episode?! Oh, man! *APPLAUSE* He was excellent! His expressions were awesome. The "trip" he took dashing out of the restaurant was fantastic! I cringed at Sammy's bloodied knees, though. And the entire air conditioner scene?! Laughing

His pathetic whimpering, talking out loud and expressions--Just great. Jared gave me a lot of laughs in this one. Who knew the boy could do physical comedy? And Jensen enhanced those laughs with Dean's you-have-GOT-to-be-kidding-me expressions in reaction to his brother's bad luck. Just great!

Bela: With her, I have another Jo situation. I didn't mind her presence, but she didn't do much for me, either. I know they wanted that whole Mexican stand-off scene (that is what you call that, right?!) with her and Dean to be super cool, but it kind of fell flat to me. And I like the potential for future trouble; she *is* shockingly badass, so there could be some coolness ahead. But her in this particular episode? Nah. I wasn't very impressed. And, unless some shocking change in who she is occurs, or we find out some shocking (am I saying "shocking" enough?!) secret that lets us know she's not really like she seems, NO, she'd better NOT end up as a romantic interest for Dean. Like Dean said, she is a truly awful person. Can't imagine him ever going for someone like that. That would be ridiculous.

Oh, finding those mementos in John's storage room? I just loved all that. It felt so good to have John mentioned again (more than just in passing); made me feel wistful. And it was so sweet to see how awed Sammy was to see he'd kept his soccer trophy. And loved Dean's "closest you ever came to being a boy" comment. Heh heh. We all know Dean's just a bit jealous of Sammy's analytical-book-smartiness and normal-person attributes, right? Smile

I think Sammy knows it too, which is why he puts up with all the teasing and digs. I think he knows that those digs are also back-handed compliments. And we need to revisit that storage room some more, don't we? See what other "goodies" are in there AND find out why Bobby never mentioned it. I'm startin' to think Bobby's got some secrets and a knack for keepin' 'em too. Speaking of Bobby. . .

I'm ready to learn more about him. How'd he come into the Winchesters' lives? What's his story? Why does he hunt? Does he have any kids or other family? And what the hell happened between him and John the last time they were together? (And do the boys know what it was?) Whatever it was, he's apparently over it, as he was ready to see him again. Anyone else ready to learn more about "Uncle" Bobby? To me, just like John was, he's the third regular character (or 4th, if you count the Impala!); don't care what he "technically" is or isn't. He's in there, to me. Wanna get to know him.

That's all, folks! What did you think?

ExtraCookie · Ben--Oops!

Sorry about not responding to your Ben post earlier, I somehow overlooked it until today!

Yeah, wow, people get so heated over there. You're probably aware of all the drama I accidentally started when I responded to the In Defense of John Winchester thread! Yikes! I swear, I honestly didn't realize that would happen! That one chick, Vanhorn? Wooo, she tore into me! I think on the CW site, people tend to forget the difference between facts and speculation, and seem to instantly assume someone is stating something as fact, when they're actually only speculating, and they get heated about it.

I know that I, too, stated on here that Lisa (?) could by lying. But that's all I think. I have nothing other than the kid's behavior to let me know that that is possible. And possible is ALL it is. And we have to admit that it is, indeed, possible. She may have lied quickly because, especially now knowing what Dean does for a "living," she may have felt it was best for both of them not to know. Or she could've had other reasons. *shrug* It's just possible. I actually don't really care if he is or isn't. I *prefer*, slightly, that neither of our boys be fathers right now, just cuz I don't think they're ready. And, of course, it's seriously bad timing! But, if it happened, I know Supernatural would make it work. I simply have major faith in the show. As I've said before, aside from a sub-par episode here and there (which are still better than anything else on TV), Kripke and the writers are amazing and know what they're doing. They seem to have passion for this show and love it like we do. It's their baby even more than it is ours, ya know? I just don't see anything to get heated about! Ben could be Dean's kid. That's a fact. As far as we know, though, he's not. That's a fact too. *shrug*

You may freak on me for saying this, but, when it comes to fatherhood? It seems more realistic and I think I'd like it better if they guys adopted or skipped it. They know what horrible things are in this world. They know the terror and struggle their dad had keeping them safe. I'm sure they'd know that any child of theirs would probably be in more danger than the average kid because of their past, their lives. I'd think they'd try to avoid creating another kid. A kid they'd adopt, actually, would probably be in as much danger as their biological ones would. If the boys are as smart as I think they are, I'd think they may try to resist the temptation of fatherhood! It'd pretty cool, though, if maybe they rescued an orphan from a supernatural baddie one day and one of them adopted him/her. I guess. Lol, I think if Dean has a kid, it should be a daughter. It'd be funny. He's usually interacting with boys & at least half-raised a boy. He'd still be great with her, but I think he'd be a bit awkward about having a girl at first. Also, it would be perfect for Sammy to have a son. I can just see him being exasperated and saying things like "Man, was I this much of a pain in the ass to raise?!" to Dean and Dean being like, "More." In that deadpan way of his. This is all WAY in the future musings, by the way, and nothing I think would ever (and perhaps should ever, unless we are lucky enough to have the show run for a decade or something!) actually happen on the show.

Sarah · Re: Bad Day at Black Rock

Sarah

Also, yeah, it did explode over there, Cookie. I'm "ordencodex" over there, of course. And all I was trying to do (and others as well) was say that she COULD be lying. But there were people who refused to even speculate, or let us speculate. SO frustrating. Neutral

ExtraCookie · Yep!

"I keep replaying Sam pouting over his lost shoe. That was ADORABLE" NO, that was not just ADORABLE, that was FREAKIN' ADORABLE! I'd play it over if I had it recorded, too! I almost said "awww" out loud at that scene! Just that perfect, childishly pathetic way he said "I lost my shoe." I wanted to jump into the screen, hug Sammy, pinch his cheeks, then dive into the sewer to get him his shoe! Lol! And I noticed his expression was like little Sammy's too! Cool to know it wasn't just me! I wonder if Jared did that on purpose?! Very cool, either way! He was just achingly cute as hell with his puppy-dog-eyed expressions in this one. And hilarious. It very much made me think of their childhood, too. It's like all this sudden bad luck made Sammy revert back to being a kid, dependent on his big brother to help him when things went wrong. Man, can Jared ever do cute! Oh, gotta love the nose-scratching scene, too! Laughing

Yeah, that John spoiler was kinda sucky! I need to read the whole sides thingy! But it doesn't change my John thinking. Yet. We'll see.

I take it you're hinting that the writers have already thought what I'm thinking about Bobby? I hope! Yay! 'Bout time, if so!!

Yes, post those spoilers, slave! Heh heh *whip crack*

Sarah

Oh I wouldn't go there, sweetie-pie. Cool

We all know who rules this coop!

But I was going to post the spoilers, anyway. Just got back from the library. If I'm a slave to anyone, it's to my professors. *whimper*

Jovi1

Hiya all been a awhile since I have had a chance to get on here so I guess ill just go ahead and post on the first three episodes of the season. For the Magnifecent Seven, to be honest felt somewhat let down by this episode, IMO it should have been a two-parter to more appropriately reflect that these are older and more dangerous demons than we have seen at present not to mention that it felt very rushed. Would have liked to have heard where Ellen disappeared to, granted the roadhouse is burned down and all but this does not mean her character should altogether disappear. Other than these two glaring things, the character directions are pretty much right on to me.

Ok to the Kids are Alright, this episode pretty much put the season back on track, and I think it is great the whole whether or not this is in fact Dean’s son was left pretty ambiguous, the reason I say this is because to me if Kripke really wanted to dispel that possibility it would have been a DNA test as opposed to a simple blood test. It will be interesting to see how this one plays out over the long haul. It was nice to see them do a non mythology episode so very early in the season. A nice stand alone episode.

On to Bad Day at Black Rock, I absolutely loved this episode. From bringing Gordon back to the Jesus freak hunter. It just goes to show you that there are all kinds out there. Anytime I get to see the brothers being brothers it brings a big old smile to my face. One of the best aspects of this show is that even in the most troubling situations they manage to keep a sense of humor going. Bela is to me a good addition to this show she represents the mercenary element rather well. Up until this point I had concerns over the new additions but they don’t bother me in the least so far. Over all a strong start to the season and things haven’t even really got started yet.

Sarah

Sarah

RANDOMLY: You know how the boys are always saying the same things? Or doing the same things? I can't believe I didn't mention this before, because I totally noticed it when I was watching...

3x02 Sam says to Ruby "What could you possibly..." (do to help us?)
3x03 Dean says to Sam "How could she possibly help us?"

XD

ExtraCookie · 3x04 Sin City

3x04 Sin City starts here!

First, YES, Sarah, I know; I love it when they do that. And you're creeping me out now, because I was thinking of that last night. The way they do that. I was thinking, in particular, of the pilot, when they were in the restaurant and said something in unison to that girl (can't remember what; it was a question) and was thinking they should do more of that! That's actually pretty realistic. My sister and I tend to do that, and we're not even very close! Also LOVE the FBI badges slammed to the door in unison in "Nightshifter." Too cool.

On to this episode. This show just makes me feel good. This episode was nice. It was Deanlicious. Wow. ALL the Dean scenes were Awesome. He's SO. . .LOVE HIM. It hurt when he asked what hell was like. And the demon chick's admiration of him was interesting. Oh, and, P.S. Um, he's a really good artist. The angles on that devil's trap were perfect. Never noticed him carrying around yardsticks/rulers, etc. in the Impala, but either he does or he's a freakin' awesome artist! Laughing

The demon's capture was cool, too. One problem, though. Now, why could this demon cause a cave-in, but didn't have the power to crack the floor, thereby breaking the devil's trap (or key of Solomon?), like Meg (inside Sammy) did? That was lame. If she could direct the power upwards and outwards, why not downwards? Come on! They need to watch that stuff! And I'm sick of the boys being badly injured; injuries that would show on them for days, then being healed the next day. They should either not injure them that badly (at least not on an area that would show), or dedicate themselves with the makeup for a while so it's realistic. I vote for the injuries being in unexposed places. Rip the clothes, show the injury, then we don't see them again cuz their clothes are hiding them. Yes, I know, that was picky.

So, Ruby fixed the Colt, eh? Interesting. I guess this means they'll be able to make as many magic bullets as needed? Still liking Ruby, by the way. But (and I haven't read any spoiler stuff to indicate this; this is just my speculation) I think she's just trying to fool Sammy and win him over to the demon side somehow. She'll probably keep working on his mind. She probably can't even help Dean at all. *shrug* And I got chills while watching the exchange between those two. The thought of Sammy having to keep doing more un-Sammy-like things. *shudder* Ow. Loved that he said he didn't have to like it and she acknowledged that he wouldn't be Sammy if he did. (How do the demons know the Winchesters SO WELL?!) Katie's doing a good job. Oh, and I like her better than Meg, so far. She's more mysterious. And how could she be Meg? I don't think "Meg" could stand to even pretend to help them. She hates them so much!

And, obviously, Bobby is worried about what Dean said. Surely Dean could tell, too. Maybe it's good, though; maybe Bobby will start trying to see if he can figure out the situation and help. Was surprised, by the way, that he shot Ruby, given that he's always so aware of the fact that there's a person trapped inside their bodies when a demon's in there! Guess he knows it's war and he can't be careful and take chances.

How much did you love the scene where Sammy got caught in that guy's office?! Super cute and funny. "I'll just leave this here. . . for you. Have a nice day." (or whatever) Laughing

John seems to have focused teaching the skill of disarming people more on Sammy. How many people have we seen him disarm by now? Or maybe he's just naturally better. *shrug* I love watching him do that. The S.W.A.T. Team scene in "Nightshifter" is still one of my favorites. It's just cool watching gentle Sammy switch to awesome defense mode and remind us that this "innocent, harmless young man" (did I get that right?) is a force to be reckoned with.

All the war information, demon religion, Sammy as second-in-command stuff was very intriguing. And I do think the stuff about Demons loving, having families, loyalties and belief systems is the most interesting way I've ever seen demons handled. Leave it to Supernatural!

Guess that's it! Did y'all like this one?

Jovi1

Not so sure how much I like this episode, not a bad episode and there are a lot of good things about it but to me brings in several big problems. One of the things I really liked here was Dean’s interaction with the demon, a good move in terms of character development. If I knew I was going to hell I would be asking about it myself. The problem I have with this episode is solely on the colt, the thing that made it special was the fact it could only be used so many times before it was rendered useless now it is being turned into the I win button. Hopefully this doesn’t turn into week in and week out using the colt to get out of fights it will ruin a large part of what makes this show work. Not to mention the dead bodies will have to be accounted for. I am really liking Ruby’s character so far and since I really don’t read spoilers, my speculation is she is a demon looking for redemption. As to your complaint on the boy’s injuries which ones bother you the ones that disappear in the next episode or the ones that disappear within the episode? As to the Demon being trapped and being able to cause a cave in and not escape, well honestly it would depend on the demon it may not have been a power she had, just because one demon can do something easily doesn’t mean that all of them can, also you have to keep in mind that Meg didn’t have the power to break the trap the first time we see her in it either.

ExtraCookie · Hmm

The Colt thing: From what I understand, it only worked temporarily because there were only 13 magic bullets made for it. As far as I can tell, the gun was always meant to work as long as there were magic bullets for it. Why there were only 13 made in the beginning, I don't know, but they never said that 13 were all that were possible to ever make. Maybe Mr. Colt just made those as a starter batch? Certain conditions applied; at least to making the gun. John said it was made while some comet was flying. I don't remember if he said the guns and bullets were made the same night. Anyway, in conclusion, I think it was left open that more bullets could be made and the gun continually used--provided one knows the conditions to make the bullets under, etc. Apparently, Ruby is one of those. I don't feel like it will be over used or whatever. They still have to be careful about who they use this powerful weapon on and it's good for creating moral dilemmas.

Yep, the demon-after-redemption things certainly seems possible. But I personally wonder if they don't just want us to think that, then--SURPRISE!--she was just trying to rope Sammy in for the demon cause all along (admit it, this is probably the only way it could be achieved. Dangling Dean's life in front of him; pretending to be on his side). I can't really imagine even Supernatural would have a world where demons cant GET redemption, anyway. They seem to be sticking to the Christian religion (God, heaven, hell, demons, etc.) and, according to that mythos, demons are just evil and must live in hell or on Earth forever and ever, right? Either way, she's very interesting and is worrying me to death about Sammy!

As to the injuries healing way faster than they should or completely without leaving a scar, when they would in real life, I hate all of it! Yeah, the ones that heal WITHIN the episode are the most annoying! Laughing

The injury that stands out the most for me is Sammy's face in "Shadow" when the demon GOUGED his cheek. In real life, a person would be scarred for life, at least to some extent; and most likely badly. I guess if they could afford some nice plastic surgery, they may be lucky enough to get it looking pretty decent (in a year or two or more). But it sure as hell wouldn't go away completely. And, if by some miracle it did, it would take a few YEARS. I get a kick out of the fact that this is not lost on the two Js, either. But, again, I know I'm being picky. I know they want to both show us injuries, yet keep their pretty boys pretty. I think they could find a better middle ground there, though.

Jasmin

Man, I haven't been here in forever. I organized my bookmarks and lost the link and here I was thinking organizing makes your life easier Rolling Eyes

Have they ever mentioned what happened to the colt?
I mean, I get forging new bullets and maybe cleaning it but why rebuild it? The last time we saw it was when Dean shot the YED and it looked just fine to me there. Did I miss a part of the story? Or did they just come up with that so Ruby will fit into the story better?

ExtraCookie

Jasmin

See I know I watched all the eppies so far, unless they started showing it on another day Confused

So yeah, they never mentioned what happend to the colt
Rolling Eyes

Sarah · 3x05 Bedtime Stories

3x05 Bedtime Stories starts here!

So okay! I liked that! I thought some of the filler-actors/actresses could've been a little more talented, but ah well.

I honestly felt bad for that poor little girl. And I LOVED that Dean made the Mischa Barton connection. *laughs* He is such a nerd when it comes to anything on film. And yes, Meg, that was such a cute line: "Could you BE more gay?" And Sam looking all awkward like "...I dunno."

Loved the brother interaction in this episode. I wanted to cry when Sam said he couldn't imagine anything worse than losing his brother. And the look on Dean's face... Crying or Very sad

And then at the end when Dean says that Sam ought to take the Doc's advice and let him go... guh. Doesn't he get that if HE couldn't, SAM can't either? DEAN. WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE. *sniffle* And then when they had him walk away from Sam and disappear... !!!!!!

So anyway. The fight at the beginning amused me. The screaming at each other in the car thing, and Sam finally flipping out and pulling the "You're not dad!" card to make Dean shut up and see his side of things...

Sandy...wasn't TERRIBLE but she wasn't that great either. She's a very monotonous speaker, huh? And her facial expressions seem to be smile and forehead wrinkle. I thought the other two girls did a better job of RED. And that the second girl stuck more to the character the first girl established than Sandy did. But whatever. Still an effective scene. Thought it was amusing that this time around the RED was a lot less touchy-feely. o.O Not sure what to take from that.

But AWWW Sammy looked back at Snuggly!Sleepy!Dean and snuck out to save him. *wibble*

Anyway. What d'you all think?

megaera

Hee hee hee. "Could you BE any more gay? Don't answer that."

Jasmin

Anybody seen the big uproar on the CW board about the gay comment yet? Rolling Eyes

wait you know it deserves another one Rolling Eyes

Sarah

Yeah. There was another thread with a guy who was pretty upset. I tried calming him down, explained that I didn't think it was meant nastily...
Then some upstart young thing comes in (when it was like on page 2) and says "Don't let trolls start fights. Let it die."
a) Sweetie, you just bumped it back up to the top. It WAS dying.
b) Just because he's expressing a negative opinion of something, he's a troll?
So the thread was deleted, probably because she somehow reported it to the mods as trolling or something.

Sigh. I hate those boards.

ExtraCookie

I really liked this episode! I was afraid that, like with "The Magnificent Seven," I wouldn't be able to swallow the story concept. Fairy tales coming to life? Um. . . yeah. BUT it worked! I enjoyed watching them unfold. It was fun to figure out that the first first scene was "The Three Little Pigs," for instance. And, man, that murderin' granny was gruesome! I think I'm even more scared of old people than ever now!

Sammy's criminal sketch! Laughing

They should lay off a bit, though, on Dean getting Sammy into embarrassing situations. It's darling, but they need to space it out a bit more, or it'll wear thin. I wish Sammy would turn the tables on him for once, though. That'd be fun. The writers need to pick an episode for it, and when he finally does it, it should be major and even more hilarious than anything Dean ever did to him. And we shouldn't see Dean trying it again on Sammy for quite a while afterward! Very Happy

Filler actresses. . . you wouldn't be thinking of "Gretel," would ya? I wasn't impressed with her hospital scene.

The Snow White kid was just the right mix of pretty (I want her hair! Samara-ish as it was. I half expected her to say, "But I do. And I'm sorry. It won't stop" at some point.) and creepy. I thought her story line was sad. The scenes with her father in her room, letting her go. Awww. Crying or Very sad

Jared did some great stuff in this one. There was one shot, in the hospital, I guess it was when Dean hinted he should just let him go, he had this expression. Just hit right in the heart. Riveted me. Loved the opening fight too. And the whole ". . .Can't imagine anything worse" scene. Both guys did that so well. Loved his interaction with the doctor, too. If Sammy retires or semi-retires from hunting one day, he should be a counselor or something like that; what a people person!

I'm surprised Sammy was able to sneak out without waking Dean. He couldn't walk IN without waking him in whatever ep. it was in Season 1. That seemed like a mistake to me. The Winchesters are so alert. But, O.K. Maybe Dean was extra tired this time. He did get his ass kicked by Mr. Big Bad. (And not a bit of swelling, bruising, etc., as usual! It's a miracle! Again! I'd love to get a hold of some of their "Network Cream!")

So, that demon was Jared's girl? Must've been fun to work together. She didn't seem very scary, though (too cute). Did her eyes ever even demon-flash? I missed it, if so. And, Sarah, maybe she wasn't so touchy-feely with Sammy cuz she's got a thing for Dean, as she has hinted at each time she's seen him. Guess he's got more delicious pain for her to enjoy than Sammy.

Was it maybe a mistake to kill the demon? Could they maybe have used her for information or something someday down the line?

It was cool seeing Dean really get his ass kicked by someone. He usually wins fights so easily. That was brutal!

PICKY ALERT: People who've been in comas for years don't look anywhere near that great, do they?! I mean, do they?! I'm no expert, but. . . *shrug* I know, I know. Too many shallow people in the world to have anyone look realistically ugly.

There was a blow-up about the funny gay line? Oh, dear. Maybe I'll check it out tomorrow, when I've got access to high speed. I, personally, feel like the gay stuff has worn thin on this show. But it's absolutely no big deal whatsoever. I don't really get his comment, however. I mean, those fairy tales are common knowledge, last I knew. Weird that Dean *wouldn't* be familiar with them. (And it would've been cooler to see Sammy fire that right back at Dean, rather than give the embarrassed expression [Dean should've had it instead, after his dressing down], quite frankly. I'd think that, with all Sammy's been through recently, and the edgier way he's been, it's about time he stopped letting his brother get to him so easily.) And he's right. Original fairy tales are far from "gay." People were nuttier back then. Those are *not* good stories for kids. One in particular, "The New Mother." (That's not a Grimm one, I don't think.) That one still gives me the creeps. I'm serious. Shocked

Sarah

ExtraCookie

"Why not? You kiss everything else that moves." XD

OK, that would've been great! Very Happy

What a pretty frog, by the way. I love frogs (and toads), they're adorable.

Yeah, I know they haven't done a lot of gay jokes, numbers-wise. It's just that it's sort of too many when it concerns two characters who are--to me, anyway--obviously straight. In other words, if I saw two people in real life behaving exactly as Sam and Dean do, I wouldn't even for a second think "They're gay." It just reminds me that, in today's world, you can't really show any affection/friendliness past a handshake (that'll get shot down next, I guess) with someone without people thinking you're gay, which is dumb. It's like people are on high gay alert or something. Yeah, I know that's the state of things and it's realistic, unfortunately. But TV shows don't have to encourage it. I guess it annoys me in particular because, many years ago, some idiot coworkers spread a rumor that me and my ex-best friend were gay because--get this--someone spotted her fixing my stupid uniform tie that I couldn't figure out (this was our first night there!)! She didn't even touch me, just tied the tie, which took all of about 10 seconds! (And I sure as hell wasn't touching anyone!) It was really embarrassing and stupid (admittedly, these people were idiots, but still. . .) so I guess I'm a little touchy (no pun intended!) about the subject. Again, honestly, nothing at all against gay people. (So I really hope there's no big uproar or anything! Please!) BUT it IS frustrating to be straight and have to feel like you have to be super careful how you interact with everyone these days, knowing how people think now. I just don't get it. Want to make clear, though, that I got a giggle out of all the gay jokes the show has had (esp. the "two queens" bit!). Just don't think they need to keep on and on with it, that's all. BUT, again, it's no big deal whatsoever. Nothing that damages the show for me in anyway or pisses me off, etc. Just simply something I could do without. Smile

I guess what I'm trying to say is I feel Dean and Sammy's pain! Laughing

I'm guessing gay people would feel offended if rumors that they're straight started circulating within their circles, too. I don't know. Confused

True, Sammy was being sneaky this time (I'm too sleepy to mess with quotes tonight, I'm sorry). But Dean's a Winchester! I think he'd normally hear him. Mr. Big Bad wore him out though, I reckon! Works for me. *Ahem* Did you notice that space Dean had left in his bed? I'd have fit nicely there. Embarassed

I'm just sayin' that was a cool shot, is all. Just made me feel. . . um. . .sleepy? Yeah. *cough* Cool

megaera

Funny . . . I was thinking the exact same thing . . . perfect size for Meg! Okay, funny or maybe not so funny gay story. I had met my mom somewhere and we stopped to get gas in our cars, gas station at a four-way intersection. This was maybe 15 years ago.

We both finish pumping the gas and I'm going to pay for both (this was before the whole pre-pay and give us your kid's left kidney as a guarantee era we now live in) and we kissed (gasp!) on the mouth. I hear people at the stop light saying, "Did you see that? Those two women just KISSED!" Anyway, it cracked me up.

People ARE pretty homophobic. Is it because it's "in" to be gay or are they afraid they'll catch it? I'm never sure.

Anyway, I loved the gay comment. And I would have LOVED the frog comment (why not? you kiss everything else). Good Lord! Probably would have wet myself laughing!!!

Sarah

ExtraCookie

Sarah

megaera

Jule

Sarah, the more I hear about the relationship between you and your brother, the more jealous I get. My brother and me have absolutely nothing in common. We talk every few weeks but that's it. I suppose it's because he is ten years older than I am. Being an only child for ten years, he probably wasn't too thrilled to get a little sister. It's kind of sad, but I'm closer with all my friends than with my own brother.

And does everybody get asked if he/she is gay? A few weeks ago me and my female best friend were cuddling in public (obviously a bad thing to do, but hey, we are best friends) and of course somebody asked if we were gay. Thank God neither me nor she cared.

Sarah

Aw, Jule. My mom's two brothers are ten years apart and they've never been close, either. I think it's just too huge an age gap until you reach a certain point in your life. I mean, if you're 35 and 45, it doesn't really matter. But if you're 5 and 15 or 20 and 30, you're at such different places in life...
That sucks, but at least you've got really close friends!

And while Brandon and I are good friends now, as kids, we both resented each other sometimes, you know? The whole sibling rivalry for parental affection, etc. I understood perfectly how Dean felt in that Something Wicked scene where John told him that he'd said to look after Sam. Lumping that responsibility to be "more mature" and to "know better" on the oldest makes the oldest a liiiittle resentful sometimes. Whereas younger kids are always having to live up to the older ones. And between ages...about 10-13 for Brandon? We fought CONSTANTLY. I could not stand the little bugger. He was going through that stage where he was nothing but a ball of grumpiness. It wasn't until he turned 14 and I was bout to leave for university that we became friends. I think not living together 24/7 helps a bit, too.

I dunno. I think people get asked if they're obviously close to a member of the same sex. I've been asked more than once. I just smile politely and tell them that, no, we're just friends. *shrug* I've seen it happen to lots of people.

Jule

I guess you're right, ten years are just too much. But I doubt it will ever get better between us. We are too different. He always tells me to get rid of my horse because it's so expensive. Way to become friends with me. I love that horse, no matter how expensive it is, and I spend nearly all my money on it (except the money I needed to buy the Supernatural DVDs Very Happy

).

Oh, did I mention I liked the latest episode? Before, I was like, uhm fairy tales... really? But I liked it. I nearly started to cry when Dean told Sam he had to let him go.

ExtraCookie · LOL!

OK, guys, I just had to comment: Ya know how we've had this gay discussion going on (not that the discussion was gay; it was *about* being gay)? Well, I checked in a moment ago, and under the last post in this thread, the ads were about gay stuff! I hadn't realized the ads tied in with subject matter here until now! Or is it just a huge coincidence? In any case, it gave me a laugh!

Yep, I'm envious of Sarah's sibling relationship too (but glad she has it). My sister and I are three years apart (I'm older). We get along OK now; i.e. we don't fight anymore and can actually enjoy each other's company. We get along better than we ever have now. Our problem, though, isn't age. It's that we're as different as night and day. You've probably never seen two more opposite people. We do have our odd things here and there that are alike, but we're at least 98% opposites. We don't even *look* related. People used to not believe we were sisters! So, growing up, we fought SO much. And not those little slappy/kicky fights people think girls have. I mean major fights. Breaking stuff, punching, etc. (I still have scars!) Oddly enough, when we were little (up until she was about 12 or 13) we were super close in between the fights, though!

You're definitely right, Sarah. Not *living* with a sibling really helps a lot! Also, her son (he's 9 now) has helped draw us closer. I used to take care of him for the first several hours of the day for the first several weeks of his life. And, of course, I baby sit him from time to time. Nephews are fun!

Sarah

Yeah, no, they're definitely tied into what the discussion is. It's the same way on Gmail. If you're talking about frogs, stuff about frogs comes up, etc.

Oh I know about the physical fights. This is going to sound absolutely awful, but Brandon and I were playing darts when we were about...10 and 7? And we ended up fighting and he was clutching this dart in his fist (I think the fight was that I was trying to show him how to hold it, the little snot!) and he ended up lashing out to punch me, forgetting he had the dart, and he totally stabbed me in the thigh. The two of us just stood there like "...holy shit!" for a second, looking at each other. And I finally went. "OW! Like...OW!" And he started bawling. HE DID. *laughs* But yeah, totally stabbed me. I was perfectly fine, but man did that hurt.

Gotta love kids. Very Happy

Brandon has threatened to name his firstborn Spike and his secondborn Jamal, whether or not they're boys. And he's decided he will train them in housework very young so he doesn't have to do it. (He's kidding, obvs. He's actually really good with kids. Smile

)

megaera · Re: LOL!

Jule · 3x06 Red Sky at Morning

3x06 Red Sky at Morning starts here!

Hey, where is everyone?

I wanted an episode review for Red Sky at Morning from Sarah and/or ExtraCookie. Where are you two? I love your reviews!

I hate to say it, but I was kind of disappointed. Maybe my expectations were too high because the spoilers sounded so awesome. I don't know.
It started out so promising, with Sam and Dean in the car (I loved that scene), with that creepy ghost ship and the poor jogging-girl in the shower. The dead sailor freaked me out.

Then Bela appeared and suddenly what started out like a great episode of Supernatural turned into the Bela show. I laughed my head off at Dean hyperventilating over the missing car, I'll give Bela that, but this was it. That she played down the fact that she shot Sam was fine with me, I didn't expect anything else from her. What really bothered me was that Dean actually seemed to approve. Hello??? No matter what aiming skills she has, with Sam's bad luck there was a good chance she might have killed him. She shot your little brother! The one you sold your soul for! For the first time since I watch Supernatural, I actually wanted to hit Dean and smack some sense back in his head.

I was really looking forward to poor Sam beeing groped all night by Granny Gert, but these scenes just weren't as funny as in the script sides. It was obvious neither Jared nor Gert (don't know her name) had any fun in playing them.

Can somebody please tell me how Bela managed to exchange the hand in Dean's inside! front! pocket of his buttoned! jacket with the bottle? If he had carried the hand in the backpocket of one of his jeans I might have believed it. This scenery - no way.

And the worst thing is that I really wanted to like Bela, but ended up not liking her at all. I'm close to hating her, and not in the 'I hatelove Meg/Gordon way' but in the 'I hate her, get her off my screen way'. I so wanted the boys to let her drown, though I knew it wasn't gonna happen. I don't care about her familydrama background. Sigh. She just doesn't fit in for me.

If someone can turn me around on the Bela subject, I'd really appreciate it! It would be much more fun for me to watch if I didn't dread the scenes with her.

I loved the last scene in the car. Can't wait for when Dean will finally break down.

And before I forget it: The boys in the tuxes were sooo hot! *drools*

All in all this is an episode I will not watch very often, except for the opening and the ending scenes.

I'm really looking forward to next week. Hopefully Gordon will rock!

Sarah

Sorry, Jule! I've been really busy the past few days. I'll review now, though.

I've heard a lot of Bela!hate. Especially on the CW boards. I think our problem is that we're expecting way too much from her, and we don't like that she's just a pain in the ass rather than someone who thinks they're doing their job (re: Gordon and Henrickson) or someone who is supposed to be evil (re: Meg). I don't really care what her background is, either. But I don't really "hate" her. She's not my favourite, but I can deal. I don't really want to see anymore "only Bela" scenes, though. Which is mean, because I want our boys to get some sleep.

All around, I'm not in the camp of Ruby and/or Bela hatred. They're going to be there for a while, and we have to accept that and move on if we're going to be able to enjoy our show.

I said on the CW boards that I think Bela's there for Sam to sort of...play off of. We've seen him killing people, working with demons, you name it. But when it comes right down to it, as we saw with Bela, he has a moral standing and just wants to help people. Dean was right -- he is Sam's weakness. And it's that love for his brother that's making him going against his values. And I love that they used brothers, one killing the other, as their MOTW. The anger and disgust the boys obviously felt made me so happy. Brother!Love!

Anyway, moving on.

Really liked the first and last scenes, of course. They've really fallen into the pattern of Metallicar confessions, haven't they? Then again, it makes sense that the boys would be having all their heart-to-hearts in the car. And oh, Dean's apology made me so sad. "You're stronger than me. You are!" Sad

Gert was CREEPY. Jared's facial expressions were awesome. XD And Dean teasing him about it all was cute. "You stink like sex." Oh Dean. <3 And "Aw, lookit you, stickin' up for your girlfriend!" And Sam just laughing.

Oh the Metallicar scene. When Dean started looking around, you could see his breath hitching. And then the hyperventilating... asdl;fjasl;dfj
And Sam running to his side, and totally understanding what was going on, and helping him stand up properly.... as;fjksl;dfjs;dlfkj

Loved the boys squatting and the way they move around each other. Just the easy was they sit so close, or slap each other's chests or send Pointed Glances of Unspoken Conversation at each other from across the room...
Loved that Dean asked to shoot her, then made that shooting motion behind her back. XD

I will be shocked to hell and back if they stick her with Dean. And I mean REALLY shocked.

I liked too that they saved Bela, despite all the shit she has put them through, including taking their money, shooting Sam, and fucking up two hunts. They couldn't just let her die, no matter what. Even if she was a family-murderer. I hate that she went to them and put them in that position, though. She totally took advantage of them. Then again, maybe now she'll stop calling them revenge-obsessed serial killers.

I dunno. Not my favourite episode, but it wasn't as bad as most people are making it out to be. It was pretty average, but I don't necessarily want them to top Bela. I got quite a few full-throated laughs out of it. *shrug*

Jule

Sarah

I don't think they're heading that way at all. I think Dean hates her too much. Even though Dean is lustful, he's actually a very moral person. And he hates those that take advantage of others to get themselves ahead (ie. robbing somebody and selling the item for cash gain, not something like lying to an old lady about being a cop so that they can stop people from dying). And he hates those that don't have respect for family. Sure, he commits credit-card fraud on a regular basis, but he's just stealing from the bank and not actually personally hurting anyone -- and he does it so that he can continue to hunt supernatural things and save people from dying. He sees Bela as a "truly awful person" and spent the majority of the scenes they were together in this episode glaring at her or pretending to shoot her in the head. So I think that the way Dean is reacting to her screams "NEVER!" His MO seems to be that he won't sleep with evil bitches or sweet girls (doesn't want to take advantage of them -- Hayley, etc), he'll only sleep with girls that are middle of the road and looking for the same thing as he is: a ONS.

But anyway. I'm not saying I'd be heartbroken if she was booted from the show. In fact, I'd probably be a little happy. But I've accepted that that's probably not going to happen and that I have to deal. She's not completely awful. I don't "like" her character, but that's the point of her character, so... I don't know. I'm just... worried about our show, what with the strike and everyone threatening to stop watching, etc. Don't want to make things worse by complaining about something we can't fix.

tatis98

ExtraCookie · Better Late (and freakin' long!) Than Never?

Howdy! I know, I know, it's only one day before the next episode is on, and I'm just now reviewing the last one. Sorry! I've had computer burn-out. Thanks for missing my review, by the way, Jule! Hear that, Sarah? We're, like, popular and stuff! OMG! (And sorry, but I laughed at your dart story! I'm sure it wasn't amusing at the time--and I wouldn't have laughed then!--, but it sounds funny in the telling! There was never any stabbings involved in mine and my sister's fights, but she did used to chase me with a literal handful of knives sometimes! She swears now she'd have never actually stuck me, but I don't think I really believe her! Meg, your "knock-down drag-outs" description--yep, those are the kind of spats we had, too! Fun, huh? Rolling Eyes

During one fight, my sis was hitting me with a broom or mop and spraying BUG KILLER at me at the same time--then bit my hand so hard a huge, black and blue mound with deep, bloodied teethmarks in it arose! My classmates the next day were like, "DAMN! Your sister's a BITCH!" Laughing

)

The last ep. is already a bit foggy. I did like it. I loved the ship better than anything about it (well, visually, anyway). Nice effect. I agree, Sammy's interactions with the old lady read funnier than it played out, but it was still funny. And I loved her grabbing him. And the ear whispering was pretty hysterical. Jared is good at comedy! Oh, cool Mrs. Havisham remark! Dean being clueless never gets old. Nevah!

The suits! Niiice! And is it just me or does Jensen's hair look even better than usual this season? And wasn't it DARLING watching Dean's flustered reaction to Bela's lustful reaction to his looks? Yes. Yes it was. She wants him. Who doesn't?

OK, here's something shocking: Bela actually entertained me some this time. I do think she's so mean, I don't like her. But that's not a bad thing. I was intrigued by her and Dean's we're-both-damaged banter and I do want to know what happened with her and her family (and I knew they'd drag it out as soon as she said it). I think, also, that, in the real world, such an exchange would indicate that Dean didn't have it as bad as she (and most fans) thinks he did. Because, in the real world, you don't tend to hurl out hypocritical insults; especially not multiple ones timed closely (unless you're stupid. Dean's not). Like, if I had just spilled food all over my shirt and damned well knew it, I wouldn't walk up to someone else who just had also and point a finger and laugh, ya know? But, of course, this is TV, not the real world, so the writers may indeed show us how horrible John was. Whatever. Rolling Eyes

Am I happy about Bela? No. If I never saw her again, that would be just fine. But she doesn't bother me (like Jo didn't) and, again, she actually entertained me this time. Her acting/chemistry/whatever wasn't so flat. At this point, do I think she and Dean could ever be good together yet? NO (although they look good together. I'm thinking brunettes just work with Jensen's looks or something at this point--heeey, *I'm* brunette! Heh heh). Ya never know, though. They may be planning on pulling that I-seem-really-bad-on-the-outside-but-it's-really-just-a-shield-to-hide-my-good-but-oh-so-damaged-true-self thing. It happens. (Were those enough dashes for ya?)

Oh, by the way, if Bela really wanted to translate her appreciation into financial gain, shouldn't she have given them much more cash? Like $40-some thousand more? Remember the stolen lottery tickets? And that's ANOTHER thing. Something they need to nip in the bud right now. Her impossible thievery. Come ON. I can MAYBE, maybe imagine her being able to snake those tickets somehow. But that hand of glory? NO. That is way too unrealistic and stupid. (And it makes Dean look pretty stupid, as he certainly should've been way too on guard to let that happen by now.) Supernatural, NO. Stop it. Now.

It was fun to see a really traditional ghost for a change. Just a scary-lookin' guy. The whole brotherly-ghost exchange didn't do much for me, though. (Although I bet it's supposed to foreshadow something between our boys.) I loved watching Sam be the nick-of-time guy this time. Doing one of the things he does best, using that brainiac mind of his to get Bela out of the jam. And, yes, it was lovely that they saved her. But of course they would save her. If they didn't, it wouldn't be Supernatural, would it? By the way, how long after Sammy getting shot was this supposed to be?! Shouldn't he have shown some signs of pain from that?! *SIGH* That damned network miracle cream strikes again.

Wow, our boys got pretty sappy in this one, huh? Aww. I bet the two Js really enjoyed doing those scenes (not). Laughing

Good Lord, if they keep this up, they may actually kiss some ep. soon! (Just kidding; that was for you Sarah! Very Happy

) It was very sweet. Shocking to see Dean do what I've said he should do earlier: Opening up, without waiting for Sammy to explode and prod him into it. Nice to be on the same page as the writers. Wow, our Dean is growing up! Good thing, since he has less than a year to grow! (Yeah, right!)

Just wanted to comment on one more thing here: I don't know if the writers write the scenes that perfectly precise or if it's the two Js' doing or both, but did you notice that little exchange of glances and movements when Bela showed up at their door? Dean looking back at Sammy and Sammy looking back and their movements and all it said without a word? "What the hell? It's Bela! Should I let her in? Or shoot her, maybe?" "Seriously?! Uh, yeah, I guess; see what she wants; hold off on the shooting for now." Or similar. I love those exchanges. Either the writers, the two Js or all just do a great job with that stuff. They're one of the best things about the show. Also realistic. We do tend to be able to say a lot without speaking to people we're close to. Nice touch.

OK, two more things! Also, do you notice that they seem to work together as a team more fluidly than ever? Watch a season 1 ep., then watch a late season 2 or a season 3 ep. Is it just me? If not, then that's a realistic touch, too. If so, then. . . never mind! I was. . . just testing you!

OK, here comes Gordon, y'all! Lookin' mighty vicious and scary! (And, thanks to Sarah's spoiler links, I think I know why! Is this THAT ep.?) I am dying to see this one! Really, I'd have never imagined this happening. Some writer really got a huge lightbulb over the head on this one!

Sarah · Re: Better Late (and freakin' long!) Than Never?

Jule · Re: Better Late (and freakin' long!) Than Never?

ExtraCookie · Re: Better Late (and freakin' long!) Than Never?

Sarah

This is the breakfast.

This is the "motherload" of vids. Jensen's panel, Jared's panel, and the J2 panel. Smile

Sarah · Re: Better Late (and freakin' long!) Than Never?

ExtraCookie · Re: Better Late (and freakin' long!) Than Never?

ExtraCookie · Fresh Blood

3x07 Fresh Blood starts here!

Disclaimer: I am really sleepy, so please forgive me if I ramble more than usual or have more typos and idiocy than usual. I beg of you! (ADDED: Yeah, so sleepy I made the thing a new topic instead of putting it in here! DUUUH! If you can kill that "Fresh Blood" topic, Sarah, that'd be cool. Sorry 'bout that! Sheesh!)

First: AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!! That is for the last scene. I guess that means I'm recapping backwards. Sort of. Partially. Or something. All I know is that scene just blew me away. Dean actually letting Sammy touch the Impala's innards (!!!!!!!!!!). Sammy, both because he was accepting Dean's most likely fate (at least to a degree) and because he was totally thrilled and shocked at being allowed to touch Big Bro's/Daddy's/Big Bro-Daddy's (know what I mean?) BABY for probably the first time ever in an "intimate" way (did you see his awed/happy expression? So cute!), just going along with it and ENJOYING it (in a bittersweet way) instead of giving an emotional, rebellious tirade, like I expected. Both Js knocked that scene out of the park. I vote it the sweetest one yet and it was perfectly done. Dean being the big brother like Sammy requested. . . and being in dad mode, too. At least, that's the way I saw it. I got a lump in my throat. Ow.

The episode didn't just grab me from start to finish. It had some weak moments. It didn't open all that strongly for me. Although I was flipping over Sammy's Eyeball Rays(Sarah's TM. Or would that be the R in a circle thingy?) of Sympathy. Is Jared awesome at that or what? Oh, and his little flinch and wince at the head-lopping sound. Sammy's such a sweetheart! But Gordon was just too cool and I'm sorry he's gone. I was hoping he'd stick around to trouble them as a vampire longer, but it makes more sense that he didn't. Of course he was too set on his mission and of course he was too good not to track them down and do his thing quickly. Loved the Gordon/Sammy showdown. Loved Sammy's Gordon murder (does that make me sick? Oh, well). And I actually felt sorry for poor, misguided Gordon. (And Sterling did a great job in this ep., as usual. I "acknowledged" his pain.) R.I.P., dude. By the way, what happened to the vampire eyeball shimmer? Is the effects dept. low on funds or something? I guess they spent all the $ on that ghost ship!

The shaky cam in the Winchesters Confront the Vampire scene was annoying. Shaky cam is tricky. Must be careful with the shaky cam. No more shaky cam if they can't do better than that. Oh, and P.S. Don't ever use shaky cam on pretty people. Just don't. That should be a rule.

Dean put the fear of God in Bela, didn't he? I LOVED her expression after he hung up on her. I don't think Dean would've done it, of course, but I do think Dean truly believed he would when he said it. And she sure did as well! Bela has this odd quality. I guess I should say Lauren does, actually (That is the chick's real name, right?). She seems oddly little-girl-in-an-adult's-body somehow. Don't ask me to explain that, I don't think I can. I didn't like Bela any more or less in this ep. Although her greedy pluck is somewhat amusing. It was cool that she didn't even flinch with Gordon's gun in her face. And her wide-eyed greed when she spotted the mojo sack (that sounds dirty) was nice.

The holing-up scene. Again, Awww. I've been afraid all the heart-to-hearts would get over done. But if they keep doing them that well, they won't. ". . . Be my brother." ". . . Just cuz." *gulp* Yep, of course Dean gave in. How could anyone resist those misty puppy-dog eyes? If Sammy had just used those on Gordon, I bet he'd have left him alone! Maybe even volunteered to be his body guard!

If there's anything else I'd like to comment on, I'm too sleepy to remember and will perhaps address it later.

P.S. I do hope we get more vampires in the future. I hope we see Lenore again.

P.P.S. "What rhymes with shut up Sam?" HA--HA HA! Dean poetry. Now wouldn't THAT be be a fun read?!

Sarah · 3x07 Fresh Blood

Here we go again, ladies! (And gents, if there's still a few around.)

#1 -- I bawled. I just...*bites lip* Those two Sammy and Dean scenes broke me in two and put me back together again. Just wanted to point out that there were actual tears. But I'll get into this more later. I want to go chronologically. *breathes*

#2 -- This is the Supernatural I know and love. This episode was just...GUH. <3 SUPERNATURAL FTW!

Okay. I've got those on the brain, so I'm HOPING I remember the first scene. I believe 1.1 was the boys sneaking around in an alley with their flashlights, oui? And finding the dude.
SO! How much do I adore these boys and their wordless communication skills? Those eyes are some damn talented eyes. I liked their two separate reactions upon finding the man lying there, as well. Why?
Sam -- We've seen a much darker Sam this season, but he's still Sam. He's still a bleeding heart for the innocent and so when he crouches down over the man and reassures him that he'll be okay, that they'll call for help, my heart cheered. That was such a Sammy thing to do.
Dean -- He too is a bleeding heart, but he's really not that great dealing with adults. His forte is kids. And so when Sam zeros in on the guy and starts reassuring him, Dean surrenders that role to him and immediately asks where the attacker went so that he can track her down. He's worried about the guy, but trusts that Sam is handling it. Teamwork! Very Happy

1.2 Dean cutting his arm was strangely...intriguing. I'm not a blood fan at all. Pain is so not my thing. I just found it interesting that Dean would mark up his own body, make himself bleed and let her get in that close just to make the kill. And his reaction afterward, breathing hard and smiling and clearly running on adrenaline... here we have a Dean who's getting a rush from defying death. He's been doing that a lot lately. I don't think I even need to say anything about it. It's all right there: he's defying death.

1.3 I love love love Mercedes McNab. OH BUFFY. <3 It was interesting to see her in this situation as a vampire, actually. I'm used to her being the dumb blonde, trying-to-be-bad vampire. To see her as a frightened girl who honestly believes she was just drugged and having really scary hallucinations was very different.
SAM'S FACE. Sad

Wah. He's so torn because it's obvious that he sees elements of Lenore in this vampire (funny that, both Buffy actresses!) except that Lenore was a leader, had accepted who and what she was and had taken measures to ensure that the bloodlust didn't take her over. For this vampire, she was just plain terrified. She wasn't a monster by choice and she wasn't a monster who later chose to be okay with it -- she was honestly at a loss. But because she had no control and because she was killing people, she needed to be killed. And to see that playing out in Sam's expression was killer.
DEAN. He is so righteous. He's got this unwavering moral code that he enforces ruthlessly. He has no sympathy for her as he questions her. He again wants his information. However, I found it interesting that he at least tried to explain to her what was going on. He was pretty blunt, but that's Dean. I think in a way he was giving her a choice to become Lenore, you know? Like "This is how it is. Get it? Accept it." And when she doesn't accept it, he resigns himself to killing her. But OH when he and Sam exchange Skilled Eyes of Silent Communication Looks (hereby known as SESCL) and then he tries to explain it all calmly and rationally to him, but is clearly feeling bad for Sam. And his stoic expression in the face of her pleading. Guh. That must've been hard for him. And Sam's flinch! *bites lip*

1.4 I'm not sure this is right, but I'm going to talk about Gordon and Kubrick at the hospital now.
1) Sterling! Lookin' dapper in that suit, dude. He could so be an FBI agent. We need a calendar. The Men of Supernatural: Sexy Suits.
2) HA. HAHAHA. "Good, because otherwise we'd have to kill you." "...Ha. Haha." *serious expression* "...ha?" POOR GUY. Laughing

1.5 I think the boys are at Spider here, right? And they see that girl? HOW did they not get accosted by woman and man alike coming out of there. Hottest things in the entire joint! Ahem. Anyway. I don't actually remember a terrible lot about it. It was an explanation scene, right? I think it's cute how close they always stand and how Sam's always behind Dean, sort of talking down into his ear. Brings a whole new meaning to having his back. Sam's like velcroed on there.
1.6 The continuation into the alley! Why is it always DEAN getting thrown into walls? Loved Sam pausing to help him up. Is it just me or is Sam a lot more grabby this season? S1 it was all Dean grabbing Sam. Now it's like a constant Grabbathon. Makes me wonder if he's trying to ground himself in Dean's existence while he still can. *whimper*
1.7 When they round the corner and Gordon and Kubrick are standing there? DUDE. THAT'S what I call a face-off. That so trumps the Bela/Dean face-off scene. And Dean telling Sam to stay put so he can distract them? Oh Big Brother Dean, how I love thee. *_* Also how he RAN UP THE CAR AND INTO A WINDOW. I knew it was coming because of spoilers and Jensen talking about that stunt in interviews, but !!!!!!!! Dean is so badass.
When Gordon got knocked out, I thought it was Sam at first. When I saw it was Dixon, I was all sl;fkjas;dlfj;sdj ALREADY? WAH. (Again, I knew about the vamping of G-dawg.)

2.1 Sam waiting anxiously in the hotel. Exclaiming (all relieved-like) "There you are!" when Dean comes back. Made me get warm fuzzies. BROTHERLOVE PREVAILS! Can I just ask though...why did they leave the mattresses all up against the windows? I get that they needed to do that for vampire girl, but ahahaha where were they planning on sleeping? And is it really necessary to have cushioning on the walls after she's gone? *WINCEST WARNING* Wink

Kidding.
As usual, of course, I love the Sam and Dean banter. And HA. How much was I loving Dean being a hardass and calling Bela to say he was going to kill her? SO MUCH. I really really don't think we'll be seeing any sexing between those two anytime this millenium. And if we do, I will be shocked into silence. Seriously. And that's saying something, considering I never shut up.
I liked Bela again in this. She was very out-for-herself here and I think Dean really made her stop and consider what she was doing. And sure, it took him threatening her life for her to finally blink and realise that SHIT she'd just sent a psycho killer after the boys who saved her ass, but still. I think Dean is going to be the one to sort of crack her case. He's already shown her what a bitch she is in every episode she's been in. And she's not cracking anything but Dean's anger open, so. I think he's going to continue to revile her lack of moral standing, and it's going to make her feel like a bitch and he's not even going to take notice.

I don't remember how the scenes went from here on out. So I'll randomise.

1) Gordon being changed. I actually did feel bad for Dixon, but I was horrified for Gordon. I realise what Dixon was doing -- making him understand what it's like to be changed, helpless, unable to stop. A monster. But oh, the scream of "NOOO!" actually socked me in the gut. I was torn on Gordon. I get him, but I don't really like him. I mean I love the character, but the character is a bit hard to like, yeah? I hope you all know what I mean. Good character, not all that loveable when he refuses to see past his own prejudices ...and especially not when he's trying to kill SAMMY. That's a big no-no. But I actually felt sick watching that scene because I think that Dixon finally found the one way to break Gordon Walker. Becoming what he hunts is probably his worst fear. Sterling did a great job of showing us that horror.
And when he woke up and was a vampire? I LOVED LOVED LOVED that they allowed us to see things from his point of view. The harsh lights, the trailing colours, the cacaphony of sounds that are nearly indistinguishable and the sound of that heartbeat...that scene was just...YES. Perfect. Not only is Gordon finding out what it's like to be a "monster" but the audience is, too. And it just intensifies the sympathetic horror and dread.
And when he kills Kubrick...
I had never actually liked Kubrick. But that moment when he's telling Gordon that he needs to kill him, and it's obviously taking a lot for him to say this to a man he respects and is fond of... And the expression on his face as he sneaks up behind him with the knife. *cringe* I can honestly say I'm not too crushed to lose the scary evangelist (sorry if anyone's an evangelist here, nothing personal I just...generally am afraid of people who are self-righteous enough to turn into people like Kubrick) but that scene was painful to watch.
Gordon holding him and bowing their temples together and closing his eyes and whispering "I'm sorry" in his ear... *bites lip again!* That was really haunting. Gordon's own hate of himself and the remorse he feels for taking a life, but the vindication of purpose he feels...it's just painful to watch. And Sterling pulls it off so well!

2) Sam. And. Dean.
....
CRYING, guys. I'm holding it back just THINKING about it again. Sam's entire speech, about how he can see right through him and Dean trying to keep those walls up, body language screaming "DENY DENY DENY!" And then Sam telling him that he knows him better than anyone in the world and his expression. The cow-eyes full of tears and the trembling chin and... *squishes Jared* And Dean's expression when he looks up and sees Sam's and hears what he's saying and HESITATES, really drops the act and listens to him.
But oh when Sam told him that he's been following him around his whole life, studying him and trying to be just like him. Looking up to his big brother since he was 4 years old...
I seriously broke in half. And I'm pretty sure Dean did, too. The looks on their faces. And the walls and Dean just collapsing like a dam breaking... And Dean finally conceding, giving in to Sam and not hiding anymore...
We wanted Dean to stop it. And he's stopped. Sam finally cracked him. And it hurts. It hurts so good, but it hurts.
Oh crap, I can't even wait this long to download and rewatch it. It's breaking me. >.< I want to rewatch it like a million times in a row.

3) The fight scene. I liked that the boys were holing themselves up in their room. Liked Dean taunting Gordon to come get them... loved that they eschewed their plan and walked into what they knew was a trap because an innocent woman's life hung in the balance. When they showed up at the building and exchanged more SESCL I was all *squee* and then oh, when Dean picked up that girl...he's been doing that a lot lately. Makes me swoony and all "JENSEN <3", you know? *bites lip for completely new reason* Ahem. Anyway. And then THE DOOR SHUT BETWEEN THEM. And Dean's panicked look! Just putting the girl down and swinging around to find a way through... and then "Be careful, Sammy!" as;dljkf;slkj I was freaking out. I was feeling it for Dean. Jensen is so talented. The panic and frustration on his face... And Jared. The way Sam just hits the door one last time, then steels himself and turns around, ready to have a knock-down-drag-out with Gordon, all hard-faced and "c'mon you fucker".
Liked the infrared vision of vamp!Gordon. You can see how it'd be appealing to him as a hunter to have all these new strengths, and how that would destroy him because he shouldn't find that appealing at all.
STERLING'S CREEPY LAUGH! :O
And him declaring that Sam's not human...did anybody wonder, like... maybe he's somewhat right? Wouldn't a vampire be able to tell? Then again, he's pretty steeped in his own beliefs. But I kept wondering why we couldn't hear Sam's heartbeat. Was it just so we could hear the dialogue? We didn't hear dead!alley!guy's heartbeat until Gordon focussed in on it. Maybe it just wasn't in the script for him to be paying attention to it. I was just confused because...Sam SHOULD have a heartbeat, guys. o.O Wtf's that all about?

4) Dean being speedy-quick and spinning around to shoot the vampire girl... blink and you'd miss it! I was just blown away. That was GRACEFUL. Jensen may be bowlegged but the man moves like he's FLUID. *_* But yeah. I really appreciated seeing Dean's hunter skills there. They've been bashing him a lot lately. I like the reminder that he's a great hunter. So good that the hunting community and everyone in hell knows about him. He's legend. I like to see demonstrations of why that is every once in a while.

5) Loved the fight between Sam and Gordon. But more than that, I loved that Sam was losing hardcore until Dean was in trouble and suddenly, he was just spurred into action. And oh MAN was that ever gory, him cutting Gordon's head off with...what WAS that? A WIRE? Dude. And the look on his face and the fact that Gordon couldn't move and the pure STRENGTH it took... I was wondering if maybe he wasn't using some sort of power (telekinesis returning? to hold him there so he could kill him. I mean...is it possible for a normal guy to take out a super-strong vampire like that? You know?
I was really sad to see Gordon go. I loved Sterling. *sigh* Sad

But I was glad that he died. I don't think I could've dealt with watching Gordon's pain if he'd remained a vampire. And I don't think I could deal with him hunting Sam down and being really efficient now what with his super-smelling powers and stuff. *shiver*
So now we've just got to worry about the FBI. Who we haven't seen hide nor hair of yet. *rubs hands together* I'm just waiting for it!
Really loved the SESCL between the boys at the end there. And Dean looking at him and saying "Pretty reckless" was just super amusing given the circumstances. Loved that they came together in the middle of the room, turned so that they were shoulder to shoulder with Dean slightly in front again and THEN walked out. It's like they cannot stay away from the physical contact! I can't decide if that's more Jared and Jensen's tendancies to ignore personal space reflecting onto Sam and Dean or if it's playing Sam and Dean that's made them so comfortable with each other. For a second there, I was terrified that Sam was going to reach out and cup Dean's neck like Dean did to him in The Hunted. I was leaning forward, silently screeching "SAM. THE BLOOD. OPEN WOUND. STAY BACK!"

Um, final note on this scene...is it sick that seeing Jensen pinned against a wall with his head thrown back and is eyes rolled back in his head and his mouth hanging open while some dude buries his face in his neck made me uncomfortably squirmy? *bites lip for that other reason again* I am such a bad person. But...*whines* He's so beautiful. *_*

6) The end scene.
My two halves? Each broke in half. *flop* That hurt so good. *incapable of even expressing it* You know that tight feeling in your chest where you can't help but smile because it's so sweet and you're happy but it's so tragic and there's an empty pit opening in your stomach and your chest feels like it's being pulled down into it and you're biting your lip and crying? That was me when I was watching. And thinking about it now is making it creep back up on me. The boys just HIT THAT ONE OUT OF THE FUCKING PARK. *breathes*
So okay. Jared's huge hands encompassing two beer bottles was adorable. As was Sam flicking the bottlecap. *amused* He's so becoming more like Dean. And with the two brotherlove scenes this episode, it's kind of clear why Jared's making him more like Dean -- yes, it's because he came back a little different, but it's also because Sam just wants to be like his big brother, and being around him so much is rubbing off on him.
Can I just take a pause here to *_*
Okay, so anyway. Handing a beer up to Dean = adorable.
Dean hesitating and looking at his baby and then to his baby brother and getting that sad, considering look on his face...and then oh DAMMIT. When he started telling him what was going on, my heart just clenched so hard. And Sam repeating everything back... It brought to mind wee!Sam and wee!Dean sitting at a kitchen table or something and Dean pointing out things in a book, asking Sam to identify them for him and giving Sam a big proud smile and a hair-ruffle when he got it right. <3 But back to big!Sam and big!Dean, the boys just blew me away. Sam looking all unsure but looking for approval from his big brother, and Dean teaching his little brother "the ropes". FUCK. I am tearing up again, guys! Dean accepting his death but being terrified and letting Sam know it and PREPARING HIM FOR THE FUTURE fuck.

a;sfkjsd;lfkjsad;fkl

This episode broke me. I can't even type anymore. I have like...nothing else to say. Just...just Jared and Jensen are amazing and I hope that they know that. Even if there are bitchy watchers that will rag on one or the other for the acting skills or whatever else...just no. They both deserve to know that they are so talented and that watching them every week is like watching poetry on the screen for me. This is My Show and they make it wonderful and...yeah. It makes me so angry when people criticise them after they pull off scene after scene of just pure brilliance.

I kind of wish they knew about this place so that they could see how much respect we have for them as actors. I haven't seen any other forum, including the CW, that consistently focusses on the talent and the actual show. I haven't seen any that consistently raise a kudos to our brilliant writers, who I fully support in their strike because without them, we'd have nothing. The writers and the actors and the unbelievably talented crews that make the show what it is. And if all someone wants to focus on is how somebody looks or something...*sigh*

So yeah. Just...I want to thank you guys for bringing this level of conversation to the table, here. You've totally brought my vision of an intelligent, adult discussion forum to life.

HIGH FIVE! <3

ExtraCookie · Re: 3x07 Fresh Blood

Thanks for fixing my sleepy goof, Sarah! Very Happy

Oh my God, I think that post of yours may actually have been even longer than any I've ever done! OK. Wait. One or more of my John ones (if not here, at the CW Lounge) may have been at least that long. But still. . . CONGRATULATIONS! YAY! I'm so sleepy I'm about to fall outta my chair, but I have to reply anyway.

Sarah · Re: 3x07 Fresh Blood

Right. I am so going to bed after this. I've been awake for *counts* 40 hours. asl;fjas;ldkfjsl;

megaera

Yeah, nothing until Supernatural Christmas airs in mid-December.

And okay, I'm sorry but . . . I'm loving Bela. Last ep with the "angry sex" comment? Heh heh! Ruby I don't care for but I love Bela. And I've got a feeling that her family-member-killing will turn out to be something . . . acceptable? Like her family-member was a werewolf or vamp or had gone evil from using a magical relic or . . . and maybe that's what started her off in her current "profession".

Okay - this episode. Loved it. Lots of blood and gore, lots of action, really wished they hadn't killed Gordon or Kubrick - you can never have too many good-looking guys and they were both on the sexy side. But when Sammy called Dean on what was going on and, oh God, the final scene with the car? My heart warmed, melted, broke - you name it and my heart did it.

Jovi1

My thoughts on the last two episodes. Red Sky at Morning. What can I say other than I am just loving Bela’s character, I don’t want to see her turn into anything other than what she is. It would be completely ok to see her develop some morals but she should always be putting herself first (she is very reminiscent of Amanda in the Highlander series). In terms of her and Dean getting it on, it would be acceptable as long as that is all it ever really was, bumping uglies every once in awhile. She isn’t really the kind to be capable of any kind of real relationship. The other thing that should be pointed out is she picked up on the fact that Dean is very smart and very clever but more so when under pressure. Ladies you have to understand something that is fundamentally male, we can despise everything you stand for, and believe in and have it make us want you more. And taking the hand wasn’t really the impossible steal that is basic pick pocketing, it happens in real life everyday. Dean was even more susceptible to it because his guard was down. As far as her whole paying them, you missed the point of the whole thing to her this is a business nothing more nothing less. Yeah she took their lottery tickets, but to her that was simply recouping some of her losses on a job they messed up for her, she isn’t going to feel she owes them anything more for saving her ass these are simply two very different transactions. It was good that she has and is learning that there are consequences to her actions and we get to see this in this episode and the next. Also it is a very good thing to have the periphery characters fleshed out as time goes on it keeps things form becoming to one dimensional and flat it also tends to lend itself to growth which is what adds to the overall growth of the show.

Overall this was a bit of a weak episode to me and another one that probably should have been a little bit better filled and broken into two parts or even done as a special extended episode, to me it felt very rushed and a lot of background info on the ghosts themselves never really developed.

Now onto Fresh Blood. To be honest this one is a little bit of a let down Gordon was to good of a character to just end his arc where they did, if there is anything the writers on this show need to learn it is how to write long story arcs involving the really good characters they develop, they try but in the few times they have actually tried to it ends up being really anti-climatic. This is supposed to be a great hunter who is every good at what he does as the boys are, granted he isn’t thinking as clearly as he might normally but how they handled this was very poorly done. For starters when the boys are out hunting vampires and such things that were once human shouldn’t they be wearing gloves?
Come on these guys are on the run with law enforcement breathing down their necks so let’s leave our fingerprints all over what is going to be a crime scene. Some caution would be a good thing to see. If I see the Colt brought out in the next three episodes I am done with this show, it is turning into the I win button. Look I can understand Gordon as a vamp being scary enough to take it with you, but this only adds more credence to the fact he should have got away for a longer story arc. Constantly bringing this weapon out is not good story telling. Also there is the issue of every time they use it they link themselves to another murder case ballistics don’t lie. Bela was a good construct to this story, it is a good thing to reinforce that she is for sale to whomever and whatever benefits her most, you get to see that she is fond of the boys but that isn’t going to get in the way of business. They did touch on the relationship of the brothers and this was great and handled in a very good way especially at the end having Dean teach Sam how to fix the car was the perfect way to show he understood what Sam was saying. And I do have to agree that these guys are some pretty great actors, this whole scene was filled with subtlety in expression and motion that reflects reality.

When all is said and done these two episodes were fair not the best, far to much potential in both was wasted to say they were anything more IMO. Monster of the week episodes are great but for a show in it third season the story arcs should be a little more expansive, and at this point the writers are failing us on this. I can only hope that as the season progresses they wise up to this.

ExtraCookie

Hi Jovi1! Glad to see you're still hangin' in there!

Whoa, you really do love Bela! Is that the general consensus with the male fans? And, yeah, I bet she and Dean will end up "bumping uglies" at some point. I don't imagine (unless we find out different things about her as a person later) it ever being an emotional relationship. But for now, hey, he's lonely & damaged, she's lonely & damaged, he's hot, she's hot, they keep encountering each other. *shrug*

Yeah, there's pickpocketing and then there's what Bela did. You have to get very close to someone to steal off of their body. And the hand was inside his jacket, right on his chest! It's not like it was in a back pocket of his pants! And Dean should've had his guard UP more, not down more, at that point; by then knowing how awesome a thief she is. He should've been smart enough to keep his distance. So, I still say it was ridiculous.

Yeah, I know *she* didn't feel she owed them more than the $10 grand she gave them, *I* was just saying she *should've.* She should've realized that they certainly felt she shouldn't have had that money, and they *saved their lives,* so she should've given it back. I didn't "miss the whole point," I got it; I just disagree with it. Smile

I agree with you about Gordon. I wonder why they offed him so soon? It was a very cool way to do it, at least. But maybe Sterling is moving on to other things and wasn't going to be available. I don't know, I'm not able to keep up with all the news and gossip very well. I'll miss him. He was their best nemesis yet. It'll be hard to top him!

OK, I've had issues with the boys' lack of caution when it comes to crime scenes, etc. since the first season. I know it's just a TV show, but what helps make a TV show great is attention to detail. So, though it sounds picky to complain about things like the guys (who, as you said, are wanted by the FBI) being so casual about things like breaking and entering and dealing with corpses, etc. and horrible, visible wounds that heal miraculously, it does matter. At least to people with a decent amount of intelligence and who love to get absorbed into what they're watching. And adding as much realism as possible to very unrealistic shows/movies makes them much more believable and, therefore, better. I too think they should be wearing gloves and being way more careful. The only thing I can figure is that the Supernatural folks are counting on their audience being mostly teens and teens maybe don't tend to pay as much attention to detail like that. I don't know.

Wow, the Colt really irks you, doesn't it? I do see what you're saying. BUT there is another way to look at it. Yeah, I guess it does seem a little too handy to have such a convenient weapon on hand. Then again, it also seems too unrealistic that two mere mortal men, no matter how smart, well-trained, experienced, strong, tough and clever, would keep being able to slip outta the clutches of super-powered supernatural creatures time and time again on their own, with only normal weapons. So, between the two ridiculously improbable scenarios, I'd rather see them have a special weapon. Some at least somewhat-rational explanation for them being able to stay alive and in one piece after multiple encounters with things that are evil to the core (and therefore don't hold back when it comes to attacking. They're always in for the kill, and no hesitation), stronger than they are, and possess powers they don't.

Jovi1

Hiya yeah im still hanging in there just tend to get busy form time to time ol. Yeah I like Bela's character alot, and really they are writing that correctly not to mention she is easy on the eyes and they little accent. I think the thing I was trying to say and not doing it well with her is she is a mercenary which dictates her life is worth a fixed amount in her logic when we see her pay the boys 10 grand, that is the fee she would have charged for doing the same thing. The average person in the world would fix a higher value to it. As to the whole pickpocketing the thing here is they didn't actually show the moment that it happens, but I can tell you from experience that your inside pocket in a jacket is a fairly easy place to get it lifted from because you dont feel the weight of what is in there, and despite the nice tight look of it there is alot of room in there. A woman throwing on her charms wouldn't have that difficult a time getting to it.

I don't mind them experimenting with the writing alot it is the third season and this is where they should start trying new things to see where they can and can't go, just to me it seems they are playing it to safe. I think maybe they are a bit afraid of leaving long arcs unresolved, which I don't think they should be this show's format can easily lead to TV movies at worst and feature films at best. The dealing with the relationship stuff doesn't bother me in the least, character development leads to greater stories down the road and gives the show depth.

The complete recklessness is what bothers me the most, but part of this probably has more to do with the fact we are gonna see Agent Henricksen later in the season, but they still should be a slight bit more careful.

The Colt does bother me a great deal when they are using it on everything they come across. This should be a special weapon, I don't mind that they have it and can make more ammo for it, but this should be something that is such an utter pain in the ass to do that it wouldn't be worth using it on anything and everything they come across. These guys and all the other hunters out there have managed to get by without it up until this point. The fact that they are fighting things that have powers and abilities beyond them, actually just makes them come out stronger and looking more heroic than pulling the easy win out of their pockets everytime they get in trouble. This is supposed to be an extremely powerful tool I'd just like to see it used as such.

Jule

VampySix

Well, I agree with both Extra Cokie and Jovi1, I wish the boys would be more careful with their fingerprints and all. I've mentioned this before at the Lounge, but not many there seem to be concerned with this fact. Like you said, Extra Cookie, the teens don't think about it. I come from the legal world, so this drives me insane. I don't watch Law & Order type shows because of the inaccuracies between Hollywood and real life. What it comes down to for me is I just have to let it go and "pretend" they're doing all they can do to cover their tracks. OR I have to think they think they are so screwed with the FBI anyway, that there's no use in trying to cover their tracks. At the rate they're going, these guys should be considered serial murderers by the FBI. But then I guess the FBI would have a hard time nailing down a profile that fit these two boys...unless they were actually willing to admit there was a supernatural world out there. Then, well, they stop being serial killers, become heroes instead and the FBI should then be on their side. Look at Heart, for instance, their fingerprints were all over her apartment, all over her boyfriend's apartment, on the dumpster outside her ex-boyfriend's apartment. And that's just what I can remember. They spent enough time in her apartment to leave hair fibers and skin fibers. Let's not forget that Sam left DNA from their screwing. And then, as we all remember, they were forced to kill her. There's no way they could remove all the evidence necessary to make it look like they had never been there. They would miss something. So, what I'm trying to say is although I agree, I have to look past it and enjoy the rest of the show instead of nitpicking about all the fingerprints and DNA they are leaving behind EVERYWHERE they go. Not that I think you two are nitpicking at all because I totally agree. There are inconsistencies in every show I watch. I have to brush them aside too. Just thinking and writing about it is getting me all worked up, so I'll shut up now.

Now, as for this ep., Fresh Blood, I really enjoyed this one. Finally, I think Dean knows where Sam is coming from. And the whole Sam knows him better than anyone because he's wanted to be him since he was 4, I just said "YES!" finally! They finally got it right. Hit the nail on the head! I have 2 boys. There are 4 years between them like the Winchester brothers. They joke with each other that the oldest is Dean and the youngest is Sam, but they both love Dean's personality better. (In reality, their personalities are swapped. The oldest is much more like Sam and the youngest much more like Dean). And the Winchester relationship is very similar to my boys' relationship. They fight and argue, they disagree, and play jokes on each other. They get on each other's nerves. But, the youngest still wants to be his big brother so bad it almost eats him up. He worships his big brother and looks up to him. I am constantly saying I hate to see the day when the youngest learns his big brother isn't perfect. It is so totally going to break my youngest's heart. So, yes, I loved all the emotional scenes in the hotel room when Sam made Dean face the truth, and I loved the final scene where Dean was taking over the big brother role and teaching Sam about the Impala. There was so much said in that scene without anything being said.

As for Gordon, I am going to miss him. He was a truly scary enemy. He was passionate and obsessive. I hated to see him go and wondered what it would have hurt having him chasing the brothers for a few more episodes. It would have built the climax up, so that when they finally killed Gordon, we all might have been cheering a little more about it. Gordon is definitely the character I love to hate.

As for Bela, she reminds me of a child in some strange way. I agree that it is all just business for her, but I think she rarely considers how her "business" might affect, hinder and harm anyone else. I'm not even sure she really cares most of the time if she did know how it affected others. All she sees are dollar signs. She can't think beyond the dollar signs. It was priceless the way Dean really frightened her. I think she honestly thought she could just say "oh, sorry, I meant to call..." and the boys would say, "aw, shucks, that's okay, little lady" and everything would be forgotten. I hope she is finally realizing her actions do actually have ramifications. That being said, I really do like Bela and the complications she brings to the show. I love watching the boys get their asses out of bad situations. I don't care if Bela and Dean "bump uglies" as you guys are putting it, but I'm afraid she's a little too shallow to create a lasting relationship. Although Dean may seem shallow on the surface, we all know that he is NOT shallow at all. He has a very strict moral code and he is very loyal to his brother, his family. Just remember how he acted in What Was and What Should Never Be (Or whatever it was entitled). He was really upset when he thought all those people he and Sam had saved were dead because his life had taken a different course...a course he preferred and desires much more than the one he's leading.

As for the colt, I'm kind of on the fence with this one. I see both sides of the argument. While I agree they were doing just fine without the colt, and now it seems like they rely on it too much, I also understand why they would rather use the colt than duke it out, so to speak. If I was a hunter, I'd damn sure want the colt in my hand. I'd probably super glue it there just to make sure I always had it and never lost it. But, as a tv watcher, I'd like to see them rely on their old ways a little more. So, while I don't necessarily dislike the colt, I would like to see it knocked out of their hands more and them having to rely on their old methods maybe a little more.

All in all, I love this show and I love these guys. And while both guys are hot...mmmm, finger licking good hot to be honest...I don't watch this show for their heat level. I did that with Hercules and grew tired of it rapidly. Now, I watch very little that Kevin Sorbo plays in because I think his acting skills SUCK. And really let's face it, if all this show brought to the table were those that watched just because the boys were hot, it wouldn't last long. I certainly wouldn't have given it more than a few episodes before it lost my interest. I'm so wrapped up in this show, I live for Thursdays. And then Fridays when my oldest son and I watch it together and discuss it.

I know I'm rambling and I'm sorry for that. I'll end it here. I may post again later after I collect my thoughts.

Sarah

VampySix

Sarah

VampySix

Jovi1

Jasmin

Thoughts on Latest Episode

Now that's what I'm talkin' about!

The dangers of underestimation and ego!

LOL Yes!

Exactly!

"What is and What Should Never Be"

All Hell Breaks Loose

Re: All Hell Breaks Loose

Re: All Hell Breaks Loose

All Hell Breaks Loose Part 2

P.S.

Re: All Hell Breaks Loose Part 2

Re: All Hell Breaks Loose Part 2

Pffft!

SEASON THREE STARTS HERE

???!!!!!Can It Be?!!

Re: ???!!!!!Can It Be?!!

Good God, How We Blab This Much?! Lol

I'm Just Sayin'

The Kids Are Alright

Re: The Kids Are Alright

Re: The Kids Are Alright

Re: I'm Just Sayin'

Re: The Kids Are Alright

Re: The Kids Are Alright

Bad Day at Black Rock

Ben--Oops!

Re: Bad Day at Black Rock

Yep!

3x04 Sin City

Hmm

3x05 Bedtime Stories

LOL!

Re: LOL!

3x06 Red Sky at Morning

Better Late (and freakin' long!) Than Never?

Re: Better Late (and freakin' long!) Than Never?

Re: Better Late (and freakin' long!) Than Never?

Re: Better Late (and freakin' long!) Than Never?

Re: Better Late (and freakin' long!) Than Never?

Re: Better Late (and freakin' long!) Than Never?

Fresh Blood

3x07 Fresh Blood

Re: 3x07 Fresh Blood

Re: 3x07 Fresh Blood