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| Sarah |
Don't be hatin' on Jen!So Jensen Ackles, that man we all love, did an interview with TV Guide.In said interview, he mentioned being happy that there were more characters on the show now, because he and Jared work really hard and long hours. He also mentioned that the CW didn't promote the show AT ALL this year and that he really wishes they had more support from the network. Finally, he mentioned that he is dating somebody. Some people in the SN fandom (supposedly FANS of the man) decided he was a lazy asshole who didn't appreciate his fans, complained too much, and had shitty taste in women. 1) I cannot believe that they would jump down his throat for saying he works hard. How are these people LAZY? It makes me wonder if the wankers have ever been involved in a dramatic production in their lives. Acting SOUNDS easy, sure. But when you're doing your own stunts, working at night in the rain, memorising a dozen pages of dialogue and churning out realistic emotional scenes for 15 hours a day, it takes a toll! These actors, and the rest of the crew, work harder than anybody else in Hollywood. Being the only two regulars on an hour long show once a week is HARD. 2) Jensen doesn't appreciate his fans? BULLSHIT. He and the rest have made it clear more than once that what keeps this ship afloat is the fanbase and that they are very grateful to us. Hell, they changed SCRIPTS and PLOTS for us just because we didn't like a character! Despite being JUMPED by crazy fangirls, Jensen has still made the effort to be at all the conventions and conferences he's invited to, and has (from reports) been nothing but an absolute sweetheart. He took WINCEST in stride, people. He probably knows that people write graphic stories about him fucking his best friend, too, but he's never once complained. He works 15 hours a day to make a good show for us, still sits down (taking time out of his day) to do interviews, and they're saying he doesn't care? as;dlfkjas;dfljas;dlfjks;fkj 3) Where did this fan ENTITLEMENT come from? I mean, hell. I'm the first to say that once that show is on the air? Once it's out there and the writers can't change it? It's ours. If we want to interpret that episode one way or another, who's to say we can't? Because if the reader of literature sees something in a piece, they see something. And nothing the author says or does after that piece has been printed can change that. (Ex. People thought Lisa was lying about Ben being Dean's son. There are a lot of good arguments to back this up. If the writers didn't mean for that to happen, they shouldn't made the evidence against him being Dean's a lot more definitive than a "blood test". But anyway, not getting into that here, just wanted to use an example.) Kripke or Edlund or Gamble or anyone else... they've put it out there. They can't change it now. BUT. THE ACTORS OWN THEMSELVES. AND THE WRITERS/PRODUCERS OWN THE SHOW. We do not get to tell the writers what to do based on what WE want. That's bullshit. Telling them they're not allowed to bring on new characters in order to lighten the load on the current actors is just cruel. WTF? Those boys have a right to a LIFE. And right now, they don't have one because they WORK TOO HARD. That's totally unfair, and it's bitchy of the fans to say. 4) Who gave us the right to tell Jensen who to date? Fine. His girlfriend is a OTH girl that could use some work on her acting skills (I wouldn't know, I'm just going by what I've heard). Whatever. So people think she's skanky. Whatever. We don't know HER and we don't have any right to bitch at Jensen just because his last girlfriend was a Playboy model (what boy doesn't want to date a Playboy model?) and his current girlfriend showed up in Maxim? Dude. The interviews I've read where Jensen talks about Joanna Krupa? Never mentioned liking her for her body. He said she understands his dedication to his work and that romance scenes on screen don't mean anything, and she supported him and made him happy. He seems to be really happy with Daneel Harris. (If that is, indeed, who he is dating.) He's a very private man, who has said before that he's really shy around girls and doesn't know how to flirt or show he's interested. If he's found somebody who makes him happy and who will support his career, who are we to say he's not allowed to have that? And who are we to say that she's not? He's a very private man and I don't understand why people refuse to allow him his privacy. *scream of frustration* Anyway. I think the interview was great and I think he did a really gutsy thing in complaining about Dawn Ostroff and her lack of support. And I think the man's dry humour is absolutely adorable. PS: I'm not saying all of fandom reacted this way. This is just my reaction to those who did. |
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| Jule |
Re: Don't be hatin' on Jen!Wow Sarah, it' really weird, but that was exactly what I thought when I read all this complaining about him. I wanted to rant myself, but unfortunately I lack the necessary english vocabulary to do it. I could write it all down in german but then nobody would understand it. Sigh. I really need to improve.But back to the topic: He didn't come off as complaining to me, it was a simple statement from his side. (Lets be honest, if any of those complainers (fans?) had to work 15 hours/day... I wouldn't want to hear them.) And even if he was complaining, hell, he has every right to do it! It's healthy and very human to complain. It would have been really annoying if he had cemented a fake smile on his face and told the interviewer how he loved being out in the cold all day and never getting enough sleep. To point 4): I have absolutely no idea who he is currently dating or who he was dating in the past. And I couldn't care less. Let him date whoever makes him happy. It's his life. Those complaining fangirls really have to learn that they don't own him! |
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| Jasmin |
Re: Don't be hatin' on Jen!
Ich wuerd's verstehen! LOL (That's I'll understand it for all you non- german's, LOL Sarah, I agree with you. 1) I have to admit first that my first action was a huge sigh, thinking here we go again, but then I started thinking about it. I'm a mom of two girls and I complain about how horrible they are, how hard my day was, blah, blah, blah. Yes, I knew what I got myself into when I got preggo, but sometimes I just have to get it off my chest, that's it, not more but not less either. And that's how I see it now when they talk about having a hard time just being on the show by themselves. Now I'd gladly trade the three months off in the summer and the paycheck if they're interested, LOL 2) I'm not even going to touch that one. If people think that he doesn't appreciate his fans they're simply not talking about the same guy. He has shown more than enough just how much he appreciates everything the fans do...well maybe not some of them 
3) I don't even know what to say about this, so I'll just say this: Giving your opinion on something on the show is one thing, expecting the writer to follow every little whim you got is another. It's their show, they decide what's going to happen in it. I think just the fact that we know they care enough to listen to what we have to say is good enough. There are shows out there that don't give a shit what the fans think. We're lucky enough to not be one of them. 4) The dating, oh geez  I don't get why people can't just leave him alone. Just because he's on TV doesn't mean his life is yours. He's still allowed to do whatever he wants, if you like it or not. If she makes him happy that's fine with me, I honestly don't care who he's dating. I don't even care if he's dating at all.
Maybe they get so pissed because it ruins the hope of them meeting him one day and him completely falling in love with them? I mean the chance is there right? 
Or maybe they're just jealous because they don't look that good? Who knows *shrug* |
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| Sarah |
*laughs and laughs*
1) Aw, Jule. I bet you do have the vocab to do it. Just let it all out!
2) HAHA, Jasmin! You're right. I bet they are just freaking out because they want to keep that fantasy. But there's others (tinhats) that I know for sure are completely convinced that he really IS dating Jared and that Sandy and now Daneel are their beards. *rolls eyes really hard* |
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| ExtraCookie |
*SIGH* Damn, he's cute!
OK, confession: I'M his new girlfriend. Yep, it's me. He was just passing through; you know how celebs love to hang out in Kentucky. And he was at my grocery store; cuz you know how celebs love to do their own grocery shopping. And he was impressed with my method of picking out fruit and sparks flew. So, be nice to me!  
That interview was cool! I don't see what there is to complain about! True, now that he's dating me, it's not so likely he'll fall for any of the rest of you, but other than that, where's the prob.? Judging anyone's significant other is uncalled for. I don't know or care who he's with (well, I'd be mildly interested to see her, I guess. Just to see what they look like together) but am glad he's got somebody! Everybody needs somebody! Celeb relationships are tough and don't tend to last that long. I wish him the best of luck! Uh, with me.
I didn't even see what he said as necessarily complaining. Just saying how it was. And I'd think a 15-hr. work day would sound awful to anyone. So it certainly sounds hideous to someone with chronic fatigue, like me! I understand them needing a break. True, I hope the focus stays mostly on them, but of course they need a break. I love the show, but it's not worth killing them over! Don't get what about that interview made anyone think he doesn't care about us, either. And people seriously think he and Jared are gay? What has this world come to? It's a homophobic, hyper homo-aware world, I guess! Once upon a time, friends of the same gender (yes, men as well as women) would regularly hug each other, etc.! Now, unless you do no more than shake hands with someone of the same gender, it means you're gay? Even if you're very close friends? Weird. Kids these days. I've nothing against being gay, by the way! It's just that I get absolutely zero gay vibes from either of them. Just shows you how things have changed from when I was a teen. The two Js are obviously old-school friends. Which is awesome. Oh, and those of you here in my age range (I'm 34), did you notice he said we were "actually pretty cool?!" Woo hoo! Yes, we are. Thanks, Jensen! We're especially cool to date. I'm just sayin' 
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| Sarah |
AHAHAHA FRUIT PICKER. *cough* Anyway. Ahem. Am very jealous of you. Hope he dumps you and heads up to Ontario. No offense.
Well, to be honest? It'd be beyond hot. But I (and most of the rest of the SN RPS fandomers) realise that they ARE just really good friends. My friends and I, and my family and I are all really touchy-feely. I think people have way too many hang-ups about sex. It's gotten to the point where I've been criticised for how close I am with my brother. If we hug "too much" or sit "too close" or talk about "things that we shouldn't share with each other", we're accused of being 'abnormal'. Personally, I'm glad I'm such good friends with him. And I can't really turn off my instinct to rub his head if he's got a headache, because that's what I grew up doing! Same with my friends. My family is so touchy feely, that that's just how I am, so they've had to learn to deal with frequent hugs and kisses and me draping myself all over them. So yeah. What I'm saying is that it's perfectly normal for them to be doing those things as friends. And actually, it's really nice and endearing to see how much they actually care about each other, considering this is Hollywood. And yeah, it might be hot to think about what it would look like were they to have mad hot monkey sex together, but I wasn't aware until recently that some people honestly believe that they ARE. o.O |
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| megaera |
No, no! No hot monkey sex between them. Ummm . . . unless I am between them. Literally. | ||||||||||||||||
| Sarah |
But really, if you COULDN'T be between them, wouldn't you rather be able to watch? *grin* | ||||||||||||||||
| megaera |
I am NOT giggling at the thought of that!!! | ||||||||||||||||
| megaera |
Seriously. Not giggling.
*hee hee hee |
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| Sarah |
*GRIN* | ||||||||||||||||
| Jule |
You just made my day!
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| ExtraCookie |
Thanks, I do what I can 
Ya know, it seems I made some sort of gay joke (did I??). And I didn't even mean to! There ya go, now you can laugh even more! 
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| VampySix |
I actually thought this was a good interview and I didn't see it as complaining at all, just stating the facts. And I agree with him that the network doesn't promote this show enough. I cannot tell you how many times I've heard, "I've never heard of Supernatural." I want to scream every time I hear that. Rarely are commercials ran to promote it. I feel like Supernatural is treated like the "redheaded step-child" as the saying goes. The network wants to profit from it, but not at the expense of recognizing it. UGH!!!!
Anyhoo -- I did like the fact that he thinks us oldies (I'm 36) are pretty cool. I think we're pretty cool too!!!
I'd have to go back and watch the scene from Bedtime Stories that you're talking about, Sarah, but it sounds like to me that the chick interviewing Dean was just being a bitch. They shouldn't even be allowed to interview them if they're going to be so nasty. I really hate that and it pisses me off. These guys are doing a great job and they've got people like that out there trying to drag them down. Acting is a tough business and she's trying to make it worse. This is they're JOB, people, how they make a living, how they pay the bills!!! Maybe someone needs to give her a little tit for her tat in her own reporting world, which is just as competitive. Wonder how she'd like that. Okay, I had to rant there for a bit. It just frustrates me. As for Dean and his new girl, I think the man needs to have a life too and I agree, everyone needs someone, even an "extra cookie" once in a while. Ha! I do like seeing the girls they get with, though, just to see what they look like and all. You know, to kind of see the type of girl that they like. Not that I could ever compete or would even try for that matter. I'm happy and content with my husband of 16 years the 30th of this month.
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| Sarah |
I agree with you (and him, obvs) completely. I've been trying desperately to spread the word. So far, it hasn't worked superbly, but I've got a few more viewers under SN's belt. Actually, the two biggest reasons I've gotten for people not watching is that a) they don't have time to play catch-up (I'm working with university students, mind you) and b) it's too scary. I made my canmate (we have separate single rooms that are joined by a bathroom, re: CANmate rather than roommate) watch the Pilot and she was freaking right out. She ended up sleeping with her lights on and she left the doors to the bathroom open so that she could hear me in the other room. *snuggles her* I was all HAHA THAT'S AWESOME! But anyway. Yes. Nobody's heard of it until I wax poetic about it, and I NEVER see commericals for it. Gossip Girl, Reaper and Smallville seem to get all the ads. Pfft. Oh, that's alright. Did you hear what the Ostroff Bitch said this week about the strike? She said that it's good for the network because, GET THIS, without the competition of shows like Grey's Anatomy, fans will be able to click over and see some of our shows, like GOSSIP GIRL. HEL-FUCKING-LO! SUPERNATURAL AIRS AT THE SAME TIME AS GREY'S, NOT GOSSIP GIRLS, YOU BITCH.  Gossip doesn't even HAVE competition, no matter what she says. House isn't THAT big, and it's the only other show on at that time. as;dlfjs;adlfkjs;dl
You guys are rockin'! I bet my mom would like to hear that, too, but I don't want it going to her head. Then again, she might get offended that I called her an "oldie". She's at the 45 mark now, and hating it. XD
Uhhhhm. Is this that thing I mentioned from the CreationCon where the girl stood up and said that Jared wouldn't be able to answer and then asked anyway and bashed his ability to act? If so, yeah, I wish they'd screen them first. Keep out the bitches and the creepers.
Oh competition. I've not managed to be that for any guy yet. *frowny face* But alas! And yeah, Jensen doesn't seem to HAVE a type. Unless you count pretty with big boobs. Joanna was a blonde, POlish model/actress. Daneel is a redheaded American actress/model. From what I can tell, though, Daneel is the somewhat more wholesome and private of the two. I've read up on Joanna and she seemed less than super. And from what I can tell, she was bitter about Jensen dumping her. And he seemed to dump her because he "didn't understand" or "didn't compromise" --> she'd be doing naked shoots with strange men in foreign countries and he didn't like it/got jealous but she wouldn't stop, so dumpage. Plus, when they were dating, she did a Playboy spread in which she first named him as her boyfriend, said he was an all-around great guy (which we all know) and so not the head-up-the-ass Hollywood type... and then went on to say "plus, the orgasms I have with him are amazing!" Now. We all know Jensen is very private. As much as a compliment as that probably was for him...he probably was also really embarrassed to have his sex-life aired in PLAYBOY. *cough* Anyway... HAPPY EARLY ANNIVERSARY!
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| VampySix |
SORRY, BUT I STILL HAVEN'T FIGURED OUT HOW TO QUOTE SOMETHING CORRECTLY.
Sarah wrote: "Oh, that's alright. Did you hear what the Ostroff Bitch said this week about the strike? She said that it's good for the network because, GET THIS, without the competition of shows like Grey's Anatomy, fans will be able to click over and see some of our shows, like GOSSIP GIRL. HEL-FUCKING-LO! SUPERNATURAL AIRS AT THE SAME TIME AS GREY'S, NOT GOSSIP GIRLS, YOU BITCH. Gossip doesn't even HAVE competition, no matter what she says. House isn't THAT big, and it's the only other show on at that time. as;dlfjs;adlfkjs;dl" Sometimes I'm glad I don't listen to all this crap because that just pisses me off too. My husband watches Grey's, so I DVR both shows. I refuse to watch Greys because it's so damn stupid, too sopera-ish for me and just plain ridiculous. I cannot stand seeing a woman pine after a man the way those chicks on there do. I can't take it. It makes me want to gouge my eyes out. It'd be less painful. 
So, that said, the Ostraff woman sounds as stupid as the Grey's Anatomy show is. Does SN mean absolutely nothing to her? Is it the dirty dark secret of CW that they're trying to keep in the closet? This is a really good show and it pisses me off that she doesn't support it at all. Yeah, it has a dark side, but I love that dark side too. We the fans wouldn't be watching it if the dark side didn't draw us too. This show is worth promoting. Sometimes I wonder if the CW isn't trying to get this show canned, maybe they don't feel like it's worthy enough to run, but right now, it's one of the best they got and they can't let it go. That's pure speculation, of course. Your "canmate" is pretty funny. Of course, I'm the type that little to nothing truly scares me. I love, love, love anything supernatural, horror related. I cut my teeth on it growing up. My parents took me to see the Exorcist when I was 5!!!!! WTF! It's a wonder I turned out normal...well, relatively normal anyway. My husband tells me I'm weird, but, hey, he married me and had children with me, so he obviously likes "weird". I probably expose my children to too much horror stuff too. I admit I don't like fitting in with the norm. It takes character to live outside the neat little box society tries to put us in. And anyone can do norm! Anyway, I've gotten off topic, but my next door neighbor watched the first episode and had nightmares. She won't watch another episode, but, to her credit, she hates anything supernatural or horror oriented, so I was probably fighting a losing battle there. I have gotten a couple of people hooked on it. Just gave season 1 to my mother-in-law. She loved Jensen in Dark Angel, so maybe she'll like this too.
Sarah wrote:
YEA me!!!! I got this quote thingy to work, but still can't get the first one to work! Anyway, yes, I was referring to the CreationCon where the girl bashed Jared's ability to act. That was rude and uncalled for. These guys are doing the best the can, with an unsupporting network, and they have oodles of talent. They don't need this crap. 
LOL! Oh, I bet he HATED that! I got a good laugh over it and felt a tad bit embarrassed for him. What a compliment, though. But I still wouldn't want my husband spouting that to his co-workers!  I'd want my life to be as private as possible too. They have so little privacy, they should at least have it in the bedroom. As far as Joanna went, she didn't seem to look like his type. The Daneel girl looks to fit more with him and his looks to me. Or that's a chick's take on it anway. Either way, they're both beautiful women.
Now that you've said he gives "amazing orgams", I'll be thinking about it every time I watch him on SN! Where do you find all these articles BTW?
Thanks! Whew! I thought you were about to tell me I WAS your Mom's age! Yeah, I jokingly call us "oldies" because age is so relative. I still feel 25 and sometimes wonder where all the time went.
Thanks. I'm pretty proud of it. We've had our ups and downs, but our relationship is better now (in every way) than it was when we first married. |
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| Sarah |
Put (quote) with square [ ] brackets before what you're quoting and (/quote) after. 
Yeah, my mom watches Grey's. But as reruns because she wants to watch Supernatural while it's actually on. I think it's partially because she wants to stay close to me while I'm away and it's my favourite show. But even she's admitted that it's gone downhill since last year. Which I am so THANKFUL for. I hated going home and seeing her watching it. Ugh. And as a girl who tends to have a crush on one guy for more than a year at a time, I can honestly say that we don't act like that. I don't sit around moping or refuse to look elsewhere or cry when they don't talk to me or sabotage their relationships. UGH.
I would say she's even stupider. And that really IS saying something, coming from me. The thing you have to realise is that Dawn Ostroff was made the CEO or whatever when it became the CW. If you look at all the shows that were on UPN or the WB before she was put at the head of the ship, they get hardly any promotion either and some have been canned. She only wants to promote the new shows that are wholly hers. And those shows just happen to be stupid little shows about the popular girls in high school or about models. Whatever. She's an idiot and everyone in fandom (across the board, not just on SN but on OTH, Smallville, etc) has agreed she needs to go.
I was 8 the first time I saw the Exorcist. And I laughed my ass off. The part where she's on the bed throwing up pea soup and screeching "FUCK ME FUCK ME!" while stabbing her thigh with a cross? That's supposed to be fucked up and scary. I thought that was awesome. Then again, I was raised...not in a atheist household, but in a non-religious household. So by the time I was 8, I was already a little atheist and the priest's expression in that scene just made me crack right up. I LOVE that movie. AND THE SPIDERWALK SCENE FTW! ...don't get me wrong, I'm not a screwball or anything. And I don't want to go around terrifying priests. I guess I just appreciated those scenes in a very different way than most theists would. They'd be horrified, whereas I thought it was pretty funny. I also saw things like The Shining as a small kid and absolutely loved those. To this day, those twin girls and that flood of blood and the REDRUM scene are some of my all-time favourites. I also grew up reading as many ghost stories, vampire novels, witch novels, you name it as I could. My favourite book/TV amalgamation as a kid was Goosebumps. I always thoguht the ones with the ventriloquist dummies were super freaky. XD And then when I got older, I started going to scary movies hoping to BE scared. Poltergeist, Chucky, Friday the 13th, all the Stephen King movies, Sixth Sense, Blair Witch, House on Silent Hill, Amityville Horror, The Grudge, you name it. So far I remain unscared. Alas! So in conclusion! I don't think you're weird. My brother and I both love all those mystery/scary/supernatural movies. Me moreso than him. He's a little bit of a wimp when it comes to them, but I always managed to convince him. 'Course, that involved making him forts to watch them from because he for some strange reason believed that'd protect him from people in the TV. *snort*
Agreed. They also don't need middle aged women standing up to tell them that they know more about them than their own mothers. That's just CREEPY.
I KNOW, RIGHT? I'd be absolutely horrified, compliment or no. And in this case, not only would his colleagues hear about it...so would everyone else! *hides face* Oh man, I can't even imagine... And yeah, she does seem to fit better. I already thought Jensen + amazing orgasms = fact before I read about all this, now it's just worse. I just found them on google. I went looking because I'd heard about Joanna dropping personal sex-life bombs in widely-read publications and decided I wanted to see it for myself so I'd know what people were talking about. I think it was...April 2005? She did a Playboy shoot. And then the others were just interviews she did. If you look up "Joanna Krupa interview Jensen Ackles" you'll get hits.
I'm 20 and wonder where the time went. *flop* I like to tease my parents about my age. I'll go "Oh wow, Celine Dion's 'Falling Into You' album was hiding in a box! Man, I feel so OLD now." And they just stand there and glare murder at me. That or "Huh. I'm almost the age you were when you HAD me!" More glaring.
Awwww, that's great! I think all relationships go through ups and downs. I know my parents in particular have been together since they were 16 and 14, and now they're 47 and 45, which is a huge deal for them. But when I was...8ish? 9ish? I remember they fought a LOT for about a year. And they still have their disagreements, but they're way better now and a lot more stable and happy than many couples I know. Which, wow, right? I mean 31 years. And this summer I threw them a 25th party and my dad bought my mom this huge diamond and made this speech in front of everyone that was really sweet and had my mom crying. And all his friends were like "ASSHOLE! Now WE have to buy rings." *laughs* So yeah. I say hang in there, it'll probably only get better and you might get a whopper of a ring out of it!
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| VampySix |
Oh, hell, no, I don't think I'm weird either. I tell my husband all the time that I'm what keeps his life interesting. He'd be so boring and uptight without me, it makes me shudder to think about it. I had a college male friend tell me that I wasn't like normal girls becaue I liked horror movies and they didn't scare me. I'm like you, I go because I want to be scared, but I never come away being scared. I just went and saw 30 days of Night. I had read and heard from people I knew that said it was scary. I don't think we were watching the same movie. There was nothing scary about that movie.
Exactly!!! And, oh, yeah, I was the same way when I got crushes on guys. I still wonder whatever happened to those guys I had crushes on way back when before I married. Embarrassingly enough, I wrote poetry for one guy and stuck it in his locker without him knowing it. LOL. But, hey, I gotta laugh over that one, too.
I loved the Shining. The book was a great read too, much better than the movie. If anything came close to scaring me it would have been the Shining. These movies you mentioned were really good. Some other great horror movies were Hellraiser, the Omen, Pet Cemetary, Christine, Cujo, Carrie (of course all these 4 are King novels), a Nightmare on Elm Street, Freddy, The Howling, and the list could go on and on. And still none of them were ever scary. The Exorcist is a classic all the way around. While I didn't grow up in a particularly religious home, my grandmother was and still is very religious. Let me put it this way. If my grandmother doesn't get into heaven, we're all on a highway straight to hell. So, while I believe in God, I had my moments growing up and in my twenties when I didn't believe or was unsure that God existed. Sometimes, it's still hard for me to wrap my brain around. That said, I still love anything that challenges the biblical principals.
Agreed. That's so creepy all the way around, I don't know how to react.
Oh, yeah. The man oozes sex appeal. Even my neighbor that watched SN and it scared her, one of the first things she said was, "he's hot", talking about Jensen.
Wow! They were young when they hooked up. We got together when we were 17 and 18, the summer after graduation. My husband actually dated a friend of mine while in our junior year of highschool. He and I hung around a lot of the same people and I've known him since I was 15. I feel like I've known him my whole life. It gives me hope to know you're parents were so young too and they're still together. What a testimony!! |
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| Sarah |
Awww really? I wanted to see that. I was hoping it'd be scary. Ah well. Does Josh Hartnett die? That might make it still worth it.
Awww! That's cute. See, I've gotten to the point where I just don't tell the guys I like. They never like me back. And I find that telling them turns them into idiots. Suddenly they can't talk to you, let alone remain friends with you. It's ridiculous. I've lost two really good friends by taking a chance on them. So. My mom's always telling me to just ask the guy I like out. And I'm always like "hell no!" So I just wait to get asked out...which also doesn't work. But eh. At least I'm not losing friends left, right and centre. Boys are stupid. *flop*
I'll have to read it! More than anything, I want to hear Dean saying "redrum...redrum...REDRUM! REDRUMREDRUMREDRUM!" and Sam finally going "DEAN. SHUT UP!" *cackles* Oh, Pet Cemetary was always good. And so were Cujo and Carrie! Did you ever see The Leprechaun? I WANT THE WINCHESTERS TO DEAL WITH A LEPRECHAUN! Those things are MESSED. And Dead in the Water was totally based on a Stephen King novel. I can't remember what it was called. But I remember the movie scene with all the kids on the floating dock while something's in the water. And I really wish Bugs had been more like the one with the native ghost going around and scalping all the white guys. XD ...again, that probably makes me sick. *cough*
I'm like...the hardcore in my group of friends. Although I'm also the one who says that we should all respect each other's beliefs. I actually prefer it when people have faith in a higher being (whether it's God, Mother Earth, or freaking aliens, I don't care) than when they're just indoctrinated into a religion and don't know anything else. Organised religion freaks me out. It has so much power over people and forces them to do so much and just...*shudder* I think I'm a good person. I'm pretty moral and all that. But it's not because I follow guidelines set out in front of me and have some dude standing at a pulpit and telling me that I'm going to burn for eternity if I go against any of these little rules. I don't like hurting people, so I don't. I respect myself, so I don't go around getting smashed and sleeping with randoms at bars around campus. I don't eat red meat or pork because they're gross and chewy and...*nauseous* So really, I end up following a lot of the stuff set out in the Bible but not because of that. My mom always said that the Bible was a sort of book of fables for her growing up -- each story had a moral/a good lesson. She just always told my brother and me to treat people the way we wanted to be treated, to respect ourselves and be the best we can be. *shrug* So I dunno. I don't think not believing in a higher power or an afterlife makes me a bad person. In fact, I know a lot of people who do believe in those and I consider them bad people. And I know a lot of bad atheists and good religious people. So it's hard to make judgements based on belief/lack of belief. asdl;fjkasf;klsjd Oh religion. Okay. So that was way off topic. ANYWAY...
Jared handled it pretty admirably. I think I might have cried for my mommy or screamed "SECURITY!"
I told my canmate (okay, I'm just going to say Emily from now on) that Jensen was The Most Beautiful Man Alive (and he is, clearly) and she looked skeptical. So I showed her. And she just got these wide eyes and was like "...wow. He IS pretty." And then we stared.
Wow, you guys were young, too! I'm sure that if you're as happy as you say you are, you'll be able to hang in there.
It's actually sort of awkward for me that they were so young. My mom was only 2.5 months into being 20 when she got married, and I'm coming up on being 2 months in and...I'm still lacking the whole boyfriend thing. Going home for holidays sucks because the extended family always go: EF: So! How's residence? Me: Awesome. This year is so much better. EF: Good, good. How's school? Me: Alright. Like most of my classes. Getting pretty good marks across the board. EF: Good, good. So! Do you have a boyfriend? Me: No. EF: Why not? Me: Um. Because? I don't know. EF: Well, why not? Me: ...because I don't. EF: Well, why not? Me: (twenty 'why nots' later...) MAYBE BECAUSE BOYS DON'T LIKE ME AND THINK I'M UGLY! EF: ...uh. Uh...oh. So...wow, is it snowing? That's so super and wonderful and I just had to point it out and change the subject! Yay! Me: *fumes silently* So yeah. It's weird being years behind everyone else and having it thrown in my face at every family function when my good-looking male cousins (hereby known as the Ginormous Asshole Squad or GAS) bring in their (usually new) pretty girlfriends. And my parents are all "Why not just ask someone out? You can just go on dates, you don't have to have one steady boyfriend." And I kind of look at them and go "...mom, you've been with one guy for 31 years. Don't talk to me about something you have no clue about. Pfft." Haha. Ughhhhhh. Sorry, had to rant. I'm going home in just over a week and I'm dreading it at the same time as I'm looking forward to it. >.< |
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I cannot tell you what happens in 30 Days of Night. If you ever plan to watch it, I don't want to ruin it for you. I'm not saying the movie wasn't worth watching, it just was NOT scary in any way. It was a lot bloody and gory, but not scary. My girlfriend went with me and I kept asking her if she was okay. She kept her hands in prayer-like-fashion over her chest the entire time. She jumped and squealed and peeked between her fingers, but I didn't find anything startling about it. I ate M&Ms all the way through it. As a hint though -- when you watch it, you'll probably like the ending.
That scene would be pretty hilarious with Dean saying "redrum" and Sam yelling "Shut Up!" I can picture it so easily in my head. I guess I missed Leprechaun. I didn't know any horror movie got past me. I'll have to rent it. I think a leprechaun would make for a good episode, especially if he was all evil and twisted, not at all like the leprechauns on Charmed. They were a little too goody-good for me. Dead in the Water was creepy. Just the idea of something being in the water that you can't see, really creeps me out. We spend a lot of time at the lake during the summer and I always wonder if there's anything beneath me now when I'm swimming! YIKES! Did you read Pet Cemetary? The scene where Gage dies where the semi-truck hits him, was pretty awesome. Not that it was awesome when the baby died, but awesome the way King made you live it and feel all the anguish of his parents. I was in high school when I read that book and it was still pretty powerful. Now, being a mother, I don't know that I could handle it without getting all broken up. I love a lot of King's older work, but these days he loses me with his epic novels that could have been cut in half and still have the same powerful effect. I get bogged down in his wordiness now.
Organized religion doesn't freak me out or bother me at all. I agree it can and does have power over people if they allow the church to control their every thought and action. Organized religion can become almost cultish in my opinion. I think there's a fine line between any of them. I'm not against organized religion, I just don't necessarily believe every stricture that is spoken from that pulpit. I go to church with my grandmother some and went a lot as a child and I still don't necessarily believe all that is preached.
My grandmother is a Baptist and all I've ever gotten from any of the preaching was that you had to believe in Jesus Christ and accept him into your heart to be saved. No other rules to follow. Just believe in him and you go to heaven and not to hell. I don't remember any rules (I assume the 10 commandments is what you're talking about) except for in the Old Testament and they didn't have Jesus saving them. I've always thought the Old Testament related to those without Jesus and that the Old Testament teachings were just that--teachings. They were moral stories, examples of how to lead your life.
I really think the red meat and pork was if you were Jewish and that was Old Testament preaching again -- not the New Testament, which is what I was reared with and told that applied to us now.
I certainly don't have the answers. I believe in God and I believe in Jesus. I’m not going to try to change your belief even though the preacher tells me I should. I don’t believe the “holier than thou” folks really make any headway, unless that person is already seeking religion. I believe instead that they turn people away from religion. I do agree with your mother, though, that you should treat people the way you want to be treated. There are people on both sides of the fence that are good and bad. So, I agree, it's hard to make judgments on someone's belief or lack thereof. To me, it's the actions of the person that speak louder than any belief or lack of belief that they express.
How truly strange....My birthday is in October and I married my husband in November, almost 2 months after my 20th birthday. Sometimes I look at all these married couples divorcing and I wonder what we do right. My husband is stuck with me whether he likes it or not. My advice to you...live your life and be happy with it. It doesn't matter what your family thinks you should do. YOU are the one that has to be happy with the choices you make. And just because the guys you like don't like you doesn't mean you're "ugly" or anything. Most of the guys I had crushes on didn't like me either. And then I developed this huge crush on my husband and kept it to myself for a while, telling only my closest friends. Then when I finally broke down and told him...well, 19 years later and the rest is history. You're only 20. I cringe these days when I hear of people getting married that young. I've got friends who got married in their 30s. One that had a baby a year ago. I've got another who just found out she's pregnant with her first child and she's 39 years old. So, you're clock isn't ticking yet for either that final relationship or for family. You're still young, live it and enjoy it. Besides, guys are such idiots. It takes them longer to figure things out. Boy, we have gotten WAY off topic, but I've enjoyed it.
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| ExtraCookie |
Hi, I'm butting in!
How dare you two get so off topic! Just kidding. I just can't believe that you're talking about horror stuff and religion! Must chime in!
I'm so glad I'm not the only one who has been into horror since a small child! I don't know anyone else (or didn't until now!) who has! As far as I can remember, I always loved spooky stuff. Loved Halloween (it became my favorite holiday, as opposed to second-fav., just as soon as I stopped believing in Santa!). I first read Stephen King (my fav. author. Or used to be. Like you, Vampy, I can't really get into his recent stuff. Except for his Dark Tower series and Green Mile series, his latter works have not really connected with me. Maybe when I get to the age he's at now, I can rediscover them. My fav. S.K. novel is "IT." I've actually read it at least 3 times, and it actually scared me all three times. The movie kinda sucked, though. As do most movies made from his books. The books are just so much better. The only exceptions I can think of are "Shawshank Redemption," which I think was better than the story, and "Green Mile.") when I was 8. Sorry about the long parenthesized bit! I didn't see many horror flicks as a small kid (although I did see "Halloween" when I was 6-ish. But, whoopdy-doo, it's not scary. Although the dude getting pinned to the wall with the knife kinda got me!), but did read spooky stuff. Today's horror movies don't really do it for me. I miss the 80s ones. They were more. . .graphic? Raw? Texturized (CGI doesn't cut it yet for creatures to me. It's getting there, though)? For instance, I much prefer old-school movie werewolves ("An American Werewolf in London," "The Howling") to what they do now (I'm sorry, Supernatural's werewolves sucked, in my opinion). I also like "Dog Soldiers" because of that. The Elm Street and Hellraiser movies are favorites. OH, get ready to laugh; embarrassing confession: I like the "Puppet Master" movies! LOL! Not really the whole movies per se, I just adore the freaky little puppets! I wish I had them! Er, replicas of them. You know what I meant! One thing I don't like about horror movies, though: Stupid people. Especially women. Just once, I'd like to see a GOOD horror movie in which the people have at least normal intelligence! I'm so sick of the stupid women who know a monster/slasher is on the loose and are told to stay put until her dude friend/boyfriend gets back opening the door and going outside when they hear a little noise. ("Rick? Is that you?" SLICE!) And always tripping when they run. And, instead of jumping right back up and running, just lying there, looking backwards and screaming. Oh, and just STANDING THERE, screaming, while someone else is getting offed right beside them. Um, RUN, BITCH, RUN!! *SIIIIGH* I confess, one horror movie has scared me. Laugh if you will, but "The Ring" freaked me out. I didn't think it was an over-all scary movie at all. In fact, it dragged a lot. But it had this way of gradually building this uncomfortable, creepy, something's-gonna-happen feel, and had three scenes that got me. When Samara crawled outta the TV? Forget it, I was freaked! Other horror movies haven't scared me, but they have entertained me. I'm much more a fan of ones with creatures and ghosts rather than slasher flicks (Friday 13th, Texas Chainsaw, etc.). Gore isn't scary to me
Sarah, on religion? Wow. You sound just like me! I very much respect other's beliefs, as well. I can't stand judgmental people who try to shove their beliefs or lack thereof on others, or who think that they're superior, somehow, because they do or don't believe something. That's so sad. I agree with you that religion causes a lot of troubles. If nothing else, it puts up walls. It gives people extra reasons to discriminate, be exclusive, judgmental, etc. Not to mention the ones who get fanatical and do unspeakable things in the name of religion. True, we humans are messed up and we'd have plenty of problems even without religion, but the religion just adds. But, the way I see it, this is a big, bad, confusing world and if anyone can find something that helps them through (as long as it isn't harming anyone or anything) they should feel free to have it. They have my blessing and encouragement. And, yes, some good has come from religion too, no doubt. It's just that, as far as I can tell, any good that has come from religion could've been accomplished without religion. And as far as the "do unto others bit," the way I see it, it should be "do unto others as *they* would like to have done unto them." Sometimes, something you like may not be what another person likes. I try to think what they would want. But that's just me being extra-picky, of course! I actually grew up Christian. Was very much a devoted, faithful believer for the first 20 years or so of life. But, hey, things change. Eyes get opened. Experiences are had. *shrug* My whole family is Christian, too. Love my family!
Vampy, are you kidding me? You have a fear for the bottoms of bodies of water too?! No way!! I actually don't think I could enjoy scuba diving because of that. I'll gladly swim in lakes, oceans, even ponds, but I don't want to see the bottom! I bet "Jaws" did that to me, though. I did see that movie too young. When I'm in the ocean, if seaweed brushes my feet/legs, I jump 2 feet in the air and I watch for dorsal fins in the oncoming waves! I even feel a bit creeped out if I'm alone in a swimming pool at twilight, when shadows are dancing over the water! Yeah, that movie messed me up! Go ahead, laugh; I'm laughing too!
I can't believe anyone's really *scared* by Supernatural. It's properly, entertainingly spooky (and "Bloody Mary" creeped me out a bit, as it was so "The Ring-ish") but it's not SCARY. Sarah, don't let your family give ya a hard time! And stop with the ugly stuff! Sheesh! (Even if you were the butt-ugliest person on Earth, which I doubt to the extreme, that wouldn't be a good excuse, anyway. I see hideously ugly couples all the time! ) Everyone finds someone in their own time. There's no time limit. My aunt didn't find someone until her 40's; they've been married for about a decade now! You should tell your family as much. And families shouldn't be so nosy and pushy! (But, Lord, I know they can be!) Now, some people are eternally alone (like me!) but we're very, very rare! (We should be on exhibit in carnivals or museums.) I can tell you're not one of us!
OK, if the boys did encounter a leprechaun (wouldn't they need to go to Ireland for that? That'd be cool. Wish they would do a foreign country ep.! Bet that'll never be in the budget, though. Too bad, cuz Ireland has banshees and stuff too, of course!), Dean would have to say "Always after me lucky charms" at some point. OR Sam would have to say, "Dean, I swear, if you say 'Always after me lucky charms,' I'm gonna punch you." Of course, then Dean could say, "No need, you just said it for me." Or something. As to the Jensen orgasm quote, I just can't even. . . just. . . no comment. Man, is it getting hot in here?!
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P.S.As if I didn't give enough embarrassing confessions to give you a giggle in the last post, thought I'd tack on one more:As I said, "The Ring" freaked me out. Well, the very next day after seeing it, it was cloudy/rainy/gloomy. And I was standing in the kitchen at one point, close to the basement door. And the TV down there. . . yep, snapped on all by itself, to a snowy channel. Yep. Sure did. And I was all alone. (That TV is old and does that in rainy weather. But I think it did it for the first time then.) I actually shoved my cat (Caramel, may he R.I.P. He was a tough, big bruiser of a cat) downstairs in front of me (while he let out a confused noise and looked back at me like, "What's your deal?!") when I went down to turn it off!! So, yeah, I'm an awful chick who'd be willing to sacrifice her dearly beloved pet in order to buy time to save her own ass, apparently. Shame on me!!
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| VampySix |
ExtraCookie, I can't stop laughing at your last post to make a reply. I'm crying -- literally -- at the visual of you pushing your cat ahead of you....
Okay, I had to take a moment to wipe my eyes. TOO FUNNY! I had forgotten about the Ring. Samara was really freaky crawling out of that tv. While the show still didn't scare me, and yes, it did drag a lot, I was totally unprepared for her to crawl out of that tv set. I was expecting something obviously by that point, but not THAT! What I remember doing is jumping to my feet and yelling at the tv, "oh, hell no!" And when Rachel (Naomi Watts) fell into that dark, watery well. That freaked the hell right out of me too, becasue, once again, it has dark water, darkness all around and you can't see below you!!!! It had me wanting to pull my own feet and legs to my chest to protect them. And you knew Samara was coming!!!!! If I could have helped her crawl out of that well any faster I would have. I was her own personal cheerleading squad, which is kind of scary since I never, ever would have demeaned myself enough to cheer in high school. That was too organized, too responsible and too much of the "in crowd" for me. I have friends who did cheer though, so I'm not knocking it. It just wasn't for me. I get what both of you are saying about religion and I agree totally. Religion is way too judgmental. My father is so wrapped up in it after a lifetime of drug and alcohol abuse that he acts like it is now his mission to save the world. It drives me crazy. He is way too judgmental and I want to say "back off" or "just shut the fuck up". He turns me away from it, so I try to keep him off the topic. We were about to get off the phone one day and he said, "pray with me" and I felt myself cringe. I had no choice but to tell him I wasn't comfortable with that and maybe he'd just be better off praying for me afterward. I have issues with the biblical principals telling us we shouldn't do certain things, when it seems they are innate to us. For instance, fornication is supposedly wrong, but yet we are sexual creatures. Not that I'm promoting sleeping with everyone and anyone. I just don't understand why it is a sin to have sex with someone outside of marriage (if you're unmarried and single). And oh, oh, I just love this one -- if you think it, then you've already committed the sin. (I paraphrased, of course, and I screwed it to hell and back). But I only thought about it, so why is it a sin? Yeah, I can't buy that one. If that's the case, I've committed adultery 259 gazillion times since I got married. I've lusted at least triple that number and having a standing lust induced evening every Thursday during Supernatural.
So, while I do believe, I don't believe in the hardcore, strict religion. And I love having conversations with people, like you guys, about religion. I love the different takes, opinions, beliefs and ideas, because I don't believe the bible-toting soothsayer (like my father) has all the answers. Fundamentally, something doesn't ring true with it for me. Does that make sense????? I kind of was worried about letting my children watch some of the stuff that I do, especially with the world's crazy violence these days. And then I thought, at least I was watching it with them and we were talking about it and discussing it and hopefully they would get that violence is not the answer. (Although, tell that to a duo of boys when they are pissed with each other. Fists always start flying first. It doesn't matter how much I say, "use your words" -- I might as well tell the cat and dog to use their words for all the good it does me because they'd rather beat each other up first and then use their words like "screw you" or "that'll teach you to screw with me". Of course, my youngest one is the more likely of the two to use actual profanity and did tell his 10 year old brother the other day that he was going to kick his ass. I had to get involved and, of course, that's a totally unrelated story.) My parents never discussed any of the horror shows with me. My mother would get me into the theater at 11 and 12 to watch horror shows and would come back and pick me up. So, sometimes I think it was a miracle I ended up as normal as I did. I was left on my own a lot while my mother partied, so I practically reared myself. So...........I took the long, wordy way of saying that it makes me feel better to know that others who've turned out good were also watching horror flicks during their impressionable youth. You know psychologists these days are saying all the violence they watch makes them more violent.
I agree with you ExtraCookie, gore doesn't do it for me. I like ghosts and werewolves and vampires -- all things supernatural related. I thought Freddie was great, but Jason was just stupid with a bunch of stupid women. Those stupid women drive me nuts. Please, do we really look and act stupid enough to run around half naked, falling down and then not have the brains to do nothing more than flop on our backs and scream until Jason machetted us to death. WTF? Women are not the helpless creatures horror movie portrays us as. And the sex scene where the couple always "gets it", please, that one is overdone. I think every Jason movie had the death-sex-scene in it.
I didn't read Shawshank Redemption or the Green Mile because by that point, King was starting to lose me. I thought both movies were great though. I've read all his Dark Tower books, too, except the very last one. I've got it, but haven't started reading on it yet. I have to get into a mental zone in order to read King. The Dark Tower books are probably my favorites, and then it would have to be the Shining and The Stand. The movie the Stand almost ruined it for me because of some of the differences. I just heard about Dog Soldiers not too long ago, but haven't had a chance to rent it yet. I've heard it's really good and that the effects are good too. My mom said when I watched Jaws, I was 4 or 5 when I saw it, she said I was scared to walk into the kitchen because I thought Jaws was going to come out of the kitchen sink and get me!!! LOL. The mind of a 5 year old. That movie must have really messed me up as a kid. I agree though, seaweed is NOT allowed to touch me without me freaking out. I don't even like those little fish that nip at you and swim by and touch you in the ocean. Logically, I know they aren't going to hurt me, but I can't see them and I don't know what they really are, so, hey, with the way shark attacks are getting these days, I don't take the chance. And besides, I don't like the way it feels. Gives me the creeps. My boys laugh at their wimpy mom marching her fanny out of the ocean because of it. I'm woman enough though that it doesn't bother me.
I agree, Supernatural is not scary. Dead in the Water creeped me out because of the little boy in the water. Bloody Mary had it's creepy factor. I even thought Hookman was kind of creepy. I grew up on Hookman stories, so remembered how easily my older cousins scared me with his tales.
LOL. That would be hilarious. The banshees idea though is awesome!
By the way, feel free to butt in any time. I've enjoyed the conversations.
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| ExtraCookie |
Glad I could crack you up with my irrational terror and potential pet sacrifice!
Do ya think God would buy that at the Pearly Gates?! It'd be worth a shot, I guess!
A shark coming from the sink? OK, that trumps my shark horror. You win!!
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| VampySix |
I think it's a viable excuse! I easily bought into it, so if it doesn't work I'm going to the flames of hell with you.
God telling him to sacrafice his kid was just "whacked" as I hear my boys say all the time. I cannot imagine ever thinking it's OK to "whack" my kids for anyone or anything. If God actually told me to do it, I would believe it was devil thoughts, so I'd be sinning anyway. Damned if you do and damned if you don't. And Job, I cannot imagine I would have remained so steadfast and loyal. But I also wonder WHY God would have allowed Satan to fuck with his most loyal zealot. That's right up there with telling someone to off their kid to me. It's like saying, "thanks for being loyal and all, but I wanna see just how far we can push you, see if I can break you down and watch you turn against me, toy with you a while and watch you suffer" because WHY??? Kind of sounds like the master pulling the puppet strings to me. Okay, okay, I'll shut up now. You've got me going.
As far as horror movies, shows, etc. go, I always watch them first before I let my kids watch them. I even watch Supernatural before they watch it, hence the Friday night review of the show. Like with Route 666 and Heart, I had to make them cover their eyes during those love scenes. In Bad Day at Black Rock, I made them cover their eyes when the guy was skewered with the fork. That I thought was maybe a little too much for them. But yeah, otherwise, I agree. I haven't bought into the whole watching violence creates violent kids crap. Yeah, Jason definitely was gore for the sake of gore. You're right, it was Kevin Bacon in that sex/death scene. LOL! I'd forgotten it was him. I think that was the first one. There's only been what 20 of those stupid things. I know exaggerated, but it felt like 20. The last Jason I saw, he was de-iced in the future. Good God that one was soooooo lame! Once upon a time I had Rob Lowe posters tapped to my bedroom walls. One entire wall was dedicated to that mega hottie. Another wall was reserved for Jon Bon Jovi and then the other wall was a conglomeration of other hotties. But Rob and Jon did it for me. I still think they're both hotties, they've aged gracefully. Hmmmm, can't help but think those two guys date me. Oh, well, they're still beautiful, right up there with Jensen and Jared.
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