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| Sarah |
*Wincest Warning* CW Boards Getting Supernaturally AnnoyingIf I hear one more complaint about the following on the CW boards, I might scream:1) spoilers 2) mirror threads 3) renewal/cancellation anxiety/bitching Of course, now we have a NEW topic to be bitchy about over there: Jensen's dislike of Wincest. I'd like to address that here. Everyone at the CW boards seems torn between the "Omg how dare he bash Wincest, that FAN HATER!" camp and the "Omg how dare you write Wincest, you SICK PERVERTS!" camp. I just want to say that it's RIDICULOUS to believe that a Texan, Christian boy like Jensen would support Wincest fic. I'd also like to point out that nobody really wants the character they write/portray to be fantasized about in relation to incest. There's also the fact that he can't go SUPPORTING it, DUH. As for Kripke, he wasn't MOCKING the fans, just making fun of the idea that Sam and Dean would be like that together. And as much as that might bruise the hearts of Wincest fans out there, I'm totally fine with that. How many people can honestly say they're cool with incest, in general? I'm not talking about the exception of Wincest or whatever. I'm talking about the fact that the majority of people see incest as wrong (in one capacity or another) in real life, and that usually translates to fictional worlds. So I can honestly say that I'm neither surprised nor hurt that Jensen, Jared, Eric, or anyone else on the Supernatural crew disapproves of Wincest fanfiction or that they make fun of it in the scripts. BIG DEAL. As for those people out there bitching about the girl who ASKED the question, I HEARD it okay? And she asked a very good question: "You've said you're very protective of Dean as a character. That said, how do you feel about fanfiction?" The question was not "How do you feel about those people out there who write your character into gay incestuous relationships with his little brother?" And JENSEN was the one who brought up Wincest. He actually SAID "I've also heard of some more disturbing ideas. One of my favourites is...uh, Wincest?" And actually, he handled it rather neutrally. He laughed, said it was ridiculous, that he and Jared had gotten a kick out of it, and that people simply tend to be extremely inventive and read into things that aren't actually present. He said quite clearly that they do NOT write that into the show, that it would NEVER actually happen in the show, and that yes, Eric does a shout-out to those who do read into it by making gay jokes in the episodes. Never once did he stand at a pulpit and cry "REPENT YOU EVIL PERVERTS!" I'm just sick of people getting catty about it on either side. I mean, come ON people. We all KNOW that Sam and Dean aren't actually sleeping together. We all KNOW that Eric would never write it into the show. Wincest fiction is just stories. It's just fantasy. It's just people's imaginations running wild. There is incestuous fic in just about every fandom that has a set of siblings in it. I'm not sure why, but there it is. The Harry Potter fandom is OVERRUN by it. So we all need to just shut up about it, read what we want and keep our peace. That people are starting flame wars on the CW boards about one or the other camp, and dissing Jensen for disapproving of the idea, is just RIDICULOUS. Anyway. What do you lot think? CW boards getting on your nerves too? |
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| ThursdayWench |
*whistles* whew...the rant!!
but AMEN MY SISTA!!! i agree with ya...but the boards aren't that hyped up about it.... 
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| Sarah |
When I say "the boards" I was thinking of this thread where there are people comparing Wincesters to real life child molesters, etc. It's getting a bit ridiculous. And It's not just the CW that's got threads about it -- it's all over LJ too.
Maybe I should edit my comment and say I'm fed up with fan wars, not just the ones on the CW boards. The thing that's really annoying me about the CW boards are the complaints about repetitive threads, etc. I'd meant the Wincest thing in more general terms, but didn't word that very well. 
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| Jasmin |
LOL Sarah I was just going to make a post like that. The CW board had me wanting to bang my head more than once in the last week.
All the "Is Sam really dead?" posts were driving me nuts. I mean, c'mon are people really that dumb or do they just not wanna use their brains? It's kind of obvious that he has to come back. Same with the " Is SN getting cancelled ?" posts. Seriously, if you don't know how to read and understand "We won't know anything until the 17th" I'll be glad to help you learn how to read a date and a calendar! 
Now here are my two cents about the Wincest thing. I personally don't like it and I think it's just wrong. Does that mean I think the people who write it are perv's? No way, it's their fantasy. I don't agree with it and I don't read it-end of story. I'll never get why people have the need to try to make everybody agree with their point of view. Some people like it, some don't, let it go!!! Then there's the whole Sam vs. Dean thing. What's going on with that? I get how the whole pre-nom-emmy thing is disappointing for Jared fans, but nobody really knows why Jared wasn't part of it, maybe he didn't want to? Maybe he didn't think his work was good enough yet? I kinda feel that everytime there's a more Dean centric eppy a couple of Sam fans go nuts over it and start yelling on and on about how it's the Dean show now and how they won't watch it anymore  Do us normal fans a favor and STFU!!!
It's a show about two brothers. I think it has a great balance and from time to time there'll be an eppy that centers more around one brother. What's the big deal? Get over yourself and get a life!!! Okay, I'm done now, *takes deep breath* |
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| chasingangel82 |
Okay so the Wincest stuff. I have to admit, I have read a couple, just to see what the fuss was about, didnt like it so I dont read them anymore.
I guess with our fandom, people tend to hold it close and stick up for it not matter what happens. I agree with Sarah when she said that stuff about Jensen, I have also heard that stuff and okay it is kinda creepy knowing that that stuff is written about you or the character you play, but no where did he say that it was wrong *shrugs* Oh and the repeatitive threads *yawn* its mostly noobs that do it, and well you gotta cut then a break, because reading back so many pages would do ones head in. No matter what forum you are on, things will keep getting brought up whether we like it or not *sighs* its just part of the big wide world and we have to put up with it, although I do wish I had a magic key that with one click everything disappears 
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| Jasmin |
I just noticed another thing while I was over there. I find it rather funny when people post on threads to let them die already. Don't they know that everytime they post to it it gets bumped up?
It can be 5 pages back and then the same people who keep saying to just let it go or die keep posting on it and bringing it back to page 1. I mean, if you're gonna do that, people are going to post on it because it's there, double DUH!!!
Maybe I have issues, LOL but dumb people really piss me off! |
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| Squeemister |
EXACTLY! There might be a thread thats almost at the end of the page and then someone posts in it "Let this die!" and it gets bumped back to the top...Its a facepalm moment. Lets all join in *Facepalm* |
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| ExtraCookie |
CuriousSo, when did this question get asked of and answered by Jensen? Let me guess, this is another video interview, which means I'll never get to know about it. *SIGH*I hardly ever visit the CW board anymore because my computer and ISP can't handle it. It takes for freakin' ever to load the pages, so it's just so time consuming and frustrating I can barely ever force myself to endure it. And there doesn't seem much point, usually. The threads tend to be so immature (*ahem* Guess that's one reason I like it here so much!!) and, often, have nothing to do with the show. Also, I LOATHE how there's no search feature for past posts. That means you have to painstakingly search through page after page (And I can't get over how very many posts there are every day! From one hour to the next, the front page can look totally different! In a day or two, a thread can be buried! I can't hang!) to find posts you want. When you're on dial-up and using an over 7-year-old computer, it's just not worth it! I wish the 'net didn't just assume everyone has modern equipment and high-speed; we, uh, financially challenged folks like the 'net too! Anyway, I didn't know anything about any of this stuff. I'd love to read a transcript of that interview, if there is one! I'm not surprised if Jensen isn't exactly in to the Wincest stuff. I mean, it's incest! MOST people aren't into that! It's OK if others want to fantasize that way, even though I seriously don't get it! But that's OK, to each her or his own. Live and let live, etc.! I'm assuming Sarah's summary of what he said to be pretty much all he had to say about it. According to that, I don't see why fans would be offended. "Boo hoo, someone in the world doesn't like what I like! Waaaa!" Sheesh! We're all entitled to our own opinions, even celebs! |
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| Sarah |
I'm about to smackabitch if they don't all shut up about those things! People drive me nuts when they do that. And then, of course, they go "AND NO SPOILERS!" Well if you want hard PROOF that Sam isn't dead, you're going to have to look at some SPOILERS. So if you DON'T want to be spoiled, SHUT UP AND WAIT FOR THE NEXT EPISODE. *breeeeathes* Ahem.
That's cool. Thanks for not thinking everyone who's read it is a huge pervert. And THANK YOU for agreeing with my stance about the argument -- nobody's mind is going to be changed, so why can't we all just live and let live? This debate is going to turn us into the new Harry Potter fandom if it doesn't stop -- meaning, we'll be on Fandom Wank from here until next decade. Oi vey.
Dude! That bugs me too! I love them both! Sometimes one gets more spotlight room than the other! WIAWSNB was Dean!centric, and AHBL1 was Sam!Centric. Whoop-de-doo. Watch 'em both and be friggin' HAPPY. |
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| Sarah |
Re: Curious
Actually it's an audio interview. It's from the Asylum convention that happened in the UK this past weekend. Here's a link to one of the questions that he spoke about Wincest in answer to. Annnnnnd (after much searching)...here's the first question that included a Wincest answer.
Mine can't either all of a sudden! It won't let me post, or shuts down Firefox! 
Fuuuuuck I knooooooow! I want to bash my head against the WALL. Some of them are all "Yay cute boyz!" and every single time we start a Wincest or Not thread, it gets BAHLETED. Pfft. Free speech my ass. And of course, there's all the kids that are randomly like "I'm depressed, anyone want to comfort me?" When I saw that one day I was like "...are you immitating teenage!Sam or just posting in the wrong forum?" o.O I mean, fine. If you need to talk to somebody...but not in a forum for a SHOW. You know? There are specific forums FOR that stuff.
I don't know about a full transcript. It's mostly soundbites from people's cell phones. But I've heard some noise about a DVD of the convention? So maybe we'll be able to buy and/or download it all!
Yeah, I know. I mean...MOST people aren't into incest in any shape or form. If you want to read about it or write about it, fine. But I think most fans understand that it's not something they necessarily want to go sharing with the general public, you know? But there's always that one group that hears the wrong thing or takes something the wrong way, or just wants to be upset about something really stupid... Seriously, he was really neutral about it. Said some people have crazy/disturbing ideas, that his favourite is Wincest, that he hopes his grandmother never reads it and that he and Jared got a kick out of it. THE END. Life goes on people. Blahhhh. |
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| ExtraCookie |
Re: CuriousThank you very much for the links! If they're audio, I may actually be able to enjoy them!
Fuuuuuck I knooooooow! I want to bash my head against the WALL. Some of them are all "Yay cute boyz!" and every single time we start a Wincest or Not thread, it gets BAHLETED. Pfft. Free speech my ass. And of course, there's all the kids that are randomly like "I'm depressed, anyone want to comfort me?" When I saw that one day I was like "...are you immitating teenage!Sam or just posting in the wrong forum?" o.O I mean, fine. If you need to talk to somebody...but not in a forum for a SHOW. You know? There are specific forums FOR that stuff. --Yes, the CW Supernatural board doesn't have a way to make sections. So, I really wish people would keep all the posts about the show (or at least well related to the show. I don't mind the topics that concern the supernatural, for instance; at least they're related!), since one has to wade through ALL the posts to find what they want to read/respond to! I know we have off-topic stuff here too, BUT we have a special SECTION just FOR that! (Hey, I'm in it right now! ) No one has to wade through all of the off-topic posts when they're strictly wanting to talk about the SHOW! As you said, the 'net is full of other places to talk about other stuff. They should go there.
I don't know about a full transcript. It's mostly soundbites from people's cell phones. But I've heard some noise about a DVD of the convention? So maybe we'll be able to buy and/or download it all! --That would be cool. Just from the little you said/quoted, Jensen sounds like he was being super cute in that.  Ever since I first learned of Wincest, I've been dying to know what the two Js think of it! Oh, my, Jensen's (or Jared's, for that matter) grandmother reading Wincest! LOL! What a horrifying thought! Most grandmas don't "do" computers, though (well, one of mine does; I don't think she really surfs the 'net, much though; I think mostly e-mails) so she's probably safe.
"But there's always that one group that hears the wrong thing or takes something the wrong way, or just wants to be upset about something really stupid..." --I don't know Jensen personally (I know, you're shocked; I'm sure you assumed we were very close--HAR HAR), but from what little I've learned about him, he seems like someone who would have to do a lot more than not like something I like in order to upset me  A LOT more! How can these people be upset with Jensen?! Are they THAT sensitive?! And I thought *I* was way too sensitive! Guess not! I don't know, though; purple is my favorite color. If I ever find out he doesn't like it, I will be OUTRAGED! 
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| ExtraCookie |
LinksSo the first link was bad, but the second one worked! (Well, as well as it could work on my setup!) Thanks again! I couldn't understand much of what he said due to the poor quality, but I liked what I could understand! And the Wincest comments were cute. As you said, he was neutral (and funny!) about it. If I was a Wincest person, I wouldn't have been bothered a bit! I'd have just laughed.Um, Jensen, um, says "um" a lot. But that's OK, he was so cute!
I couldn't understand his answer to the hug question. People laughed, though. *shrug* Oh, well. He hugged dying/dead Sammy last ep. I wonder if people are satisfied? I've never given thought to the hugging. How many actual brothers do you people know who hug each other?! Come on, that's not typical, is it? I loved hearing him say what I was sure of all along--that being close to Jared in real life makes the emotional scenes often easy enough to do without having to draw on some sort of other personal experience. It's just a fact--most of the time, how well actors/actresses get along in real life reflects in their acting. Before I ever knew for a fact that those two were close in real life, I assumed they must be, since their chemistry was that good. I bet they were a bit tired of each other, though, after shooting that emotional, touchy-feely scene from "All Hell Breaks Loose!" Wonder how many times Jensen had to grab and hold Jared to get that "Sammy's dying" scene shot? When it was over, they were probably like, "Dude, get away from me!"
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| Sarah |
Re: Links
Bad? Woe. Shall have to check it. Did I just screw up the URL or something? Hm...
I'm not so sure I identify as a "Wincest person" since I read a wide variety of things, but I guess I could be classified as that, since I do read Wincest. (Yeah, yeah, I admit it. It so weirded me out at first that I'd dare to read it. But then I just...gave in. SIGH. Am a bad person. Ah well, can't go to hell if you don't believe in it. XD) But yeah, I wasn't very upset. His reaction was a lot less severe than I'd expect from most people -- especially people brought up in a religious family.
He is such an awkward speaker. It's adorable. <3
TWO HUGS IN ONE FINALE!  Oh brotherly love! (And yes, strictly brotherly. I'll read into it later on. For now I'm just warm and fuzzy. Haha!)
You know, lately I've been wondering about brothers, or rather siblings, and gestures of physical affection. I grew up in a very touchy-feely family. I hug every family member who comes in the door, and most of my friends, and everyone gets hugs again on their way out. My brother and I hug all the time. It's never been a big deal. I mean, there's the typical "Bye, love you, see you later!" hug when I'm going back to uni, but there's also random come-up-behind-you "Hi, how was your day? What are you reading? Am I bugging you yet?" hugs. *shrug* A few of my friends have expressed the opinion that my family is just messed up, but my mom and her siblings are a huggy bunch too. So I dunno. I just never saw anything weird about it. In fact, I always thought it was weirder that the Winchesters never hug. Especially with all the dangerous situations they're thrown into and survive.
*squeak* theyaresocutetogether. <333333333 But yes, I really loved hearing him talk about that. And it really puts all his comments about disliking the really emotional scenes into perspective. It's not because he can't do them (he can! he can! oh HELL, we know he can!), it's that they're so TAXING. I wonder if Jared ever fell asleep at one point. Or if he randomly started giggling when Jensen was all clingy and nuzzling his hair. OMG how CUTE was that by the way? ...*cough* Of course I don't ship J2. ...*slinks away* |
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| megaera |
Hee hee hee! Coming to this late but loved reading this thread. One good thing about the CW message boards though is that I found out about sn4gu!!! | ||||||||||
| Sarah |
*grin* Now that's what I like to hear! | ||||||||||