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ExtraCookie · NO CHICKFLICK MOMENTS Joined: 04 Apr 2007 Posts: 269

This is just a thought: Supposedly, running a home business from the Internet, from anywhere in the world, is a possibility now (I know, I know, most of the crap you see about it is a scam, BUT not all of it!).

Our Sammy is a well-educated, super smarty. We have to use our imaginations and realize that, in between the stuff going down we see on the episodes, the guys must surely have days, if not weeks, of down time. And Sammy has expressed dislike for the dishonest ways of funding the Family Business. And the boy HAS a computer . . . a nice, new-looking laptop; I'd be willing to bet it's super powerful and has all the bells and whistles, so . . .

Why doesn't Mr. Smart College Boy just set up a home business for income?! It would solve serious problems! Like keeping them off of the FBI and police radar. And soothing Sammy's (and Dean's, too, I'm sure--if he stopped and thought about it/admitted it if he already has) conscience. I mean, sure, the business(es) would have to be set up under aliases and I guess they'd have to find tricky ways to receive the funds (accounts, etc.) but it seems to me it could be done! (The capital would come, of course, from the usual illegal crap they do.)

Admittedly, I'm no banking/account/business expert (Oh, Lord, far from it! So, please try not to laugh at me! I'm better at . . . uh . . . other stuff) but it seems a plausible thing to do. I've thought this from pretty much the instant I learned how they got their income.

I've just always disliked the fact that these guys are really good people who do wonderful, heroic things . . . and, at the same time, are thieves when they, perhaps, don't need to be! I guess Kripke thinks it's "cool," gives them a more "badass" vibe or something, but I just don't like it. Sorry. Besides, they have plenty of other flaws to make them human; and are badass enough without the theft. Yeah, I think it's funny that Dean can clean up at poker and hustling, etc. But I'm sure he learned all that before the Internet/home biz age. And he's all grown up now and should have some more maturity. And, besides, I can still imagine him being naughty (it's Dean, duh!) and doing it anyway once in a while.

Of course, Sammy would be the one doing most of the work, but I have hilarious visions in my head of, once he's talked Dean into the idea (or flat-out insisted he's doing it and guilted him into doing his part), Sammy showing (or trying to show) Dean a few things about it and making him do at least some part in it too (Dean's not completely computer illiterate; we've seen him use it too. Sam just seems to be MORE literate). Oh, the smartass comments (Because it's "geeky" and "not cool"). Oh, the killer looks of annoyance. Oh, the pouting. Oh, Sammy's look of horror when he sees Dean has made some major screw-up! But it would be fun, too, to see Dean's look of joy and pride at a first awesome paycheck/deposit. "Dude, it'd take me two months of hustling to make this!"

Again, I don't know much about the whole home business or banking/money sort of thing. So, if anyone else does, feel free to explain and help me understand why this couldn't happen, if that's what you think. Smile

(For all I know, there'd be no way to do this without it being traced back to them. Or what would happen at tax time? Couldn't they, I don't know, transfer the funds then somehow or something? I don't have a criminal mind! And, yeah, there would still be an element of law breaking but at least it would be mostly honest! Just maybe a slight tax glitch here and there. I'm sure if it can be done, Sammy could figure it out!) I feel like Sammy should've thought of this (or something similar!) a long time ago, but I just tell myself he's been too distracted by grief over a dead girlfriend, a dead father and the whole demons-want-me stuff. Bah, don't laugh too hard at me for this! Embarassed

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vanhorn · OUTTA PRACTICE Joined: 02 Apr 2007 Posts: 7

No laughing here. I'm sometimes bothered by it too but I don't think it would work. I'm going to answer in parts.

ExtraCookie · NO CHICKFLICK MOMENTS Joined: 04 Apr 2007 Posts: 269

OK, this is the third time I've tried to post a response! Between the 'net and my computer, I'm having a horrible time! So, bear with me if this comes off disjointed and/or maniacal!!

Thanks for not laughing, Vanhorn! Smile

I agree a lot with your post. But I do still think there could be a way. (I'm feeling unusually stubborn, I guess!). I don't know what all Sammy learned in college or from John, but he's often demonstrating his education and intelligence, so I think he could find a way.

Also, here is where love interests could come in handy. I know most of you are passionately opposed to them. But it could work out well for the show. It could help the guys out and keep the Family Business rolling along in a realistic way. And would it really kill us to see a well-written, properly handled love interest or two pop up every third episode or less? I know I could handle it. A girlfriend without a criminal record could set up a biz for them in her name (how could it be proven she wasn't doing the work?), the guys (or at least Sammy) do all the work (once these 'net businesses get going, they kind of run themselves, right?) and, voila! A mostly-honest income! SPOILER ALERT! And I don't know how to do "spoiler vision!" Do ya just type in yellow?? I mean, yeah, the guys are going to prison, but we know they'll get out. If the show is to go on, they must. And, once they do, it doesn't seem realistic that they can go on getting their income with credit card fraud and what-not. They're gonna need help from *someone* living by the law! Unless, maybe, they're both presumed dead (and that didn't work out in the end for Dean, so what are the chances they could get away with that (away with it *again* in Dean's case)? Possibly if the bodies are presumed burnt up, maybe. *shrug*). SPOILER OVER.

It just seems to me that, where there's a will (and a Sammy), there's a way.

I admit, however, that it is funny to see how Dean isn't, apparently, bothered at all by their theft. I'm on Sam's side about it, but I understand Dean's side, too. (They are helping the greater good. They're doing the best they can. Gotta do what they gotta do, so no prob.) It's good for a laugh; especially Sam's exasperation at that attitude. But our Dean is maturing and changing some of his views and we know he IS capable of thinking deeper when he wants to. So, it'd be nice to see him coming around to Sam's point of view, at least somewhat. (Although it'll probably take him getting embarrassed about it by some woman to make that happen! So far, Sammy's shaming him hasn't helped a bit!) Logically, it just seems that they may have to change things up a bit after their current drama is played out. Speaking of logic, how the hell is it that they can drive around in that Impala and not get caught?! It's bugging the hell outta me! I hope Kripke gives us an explanation later and doesn't just expect us to be stupid and assume that they are just THAT lucky! Lol
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vanhorn · OUTTA PRACTICE Joined: 02 Apr 2007 Posts: 7

Can you edit your reply? Because I'm vehemently opposed to spoilers so as soon as I saw the spoiler alert I averted my eyes and missed the rest of your post! Smile

Anyway, up to that point - yes I am absolutely opposed to a long term stable romance for several reasons. I won't go in depth into them but basically (a) they're a little busy Very Happy

(b) they are always on the move- umm so how would they keep this going? sure, jared is managing with sandy but they have a little more freedom/money/not worrying about being killed by demons going for them (c) dean isn't really the type to have one right now (later on, sure) (d) other reasons that would just take too long. I am not opposed to in later seasons, setting up seeds of a romance and seeing them settle down in the future at the end of the series (hopefully a long time from now!). I don't need a romance. EVERY OTHER TV SHOW has one. Personally, you can get that in any show. Not having it overshadow the brothers is rather refreshing in my view.

Okay, total tangent over. Anyway, like I said I only got to about where you thought a g/f could do this for them. Okay, this takes care of taxes and accounts and stuff. Ummm, but then how do THEY get the money from HER? If she has a legit business going, the IRS is going to start wondering where her money is going when she does taxes. If her business does $100K (for example) after overhead and such, but only reports $50K because she wired the boys money over the year, that is going to be an issue. She can't report the $100K because (a) she likely wouldn't have enough to cover the whole amount and (b) they are going to want some paperwork with that and they would probably notice she has wired a lot of money to some random guys. There's no law against gifting money (although you do have to pay taxes on it if you gift more than $12K a year to any single person) but it would just look odd.

I'm with you. I think there are ways it could be done. I don't know all the in and outs either. But I think it would be a lot of trouble to do. I'm willing to wait until they are ready to really settle down before doing legit work. And if you edit your post, I can read the rest. Smile

ExtraCookie · NO CHICKFLICK MOMENTS Joined: 04 Apr 2007 Posts: 269

Edited by request: Smile

OK, this is the third time I've tried to post a response! Between the 'net and my computer, I'm having a horrible time! So, bear with me if this comes off disjointed and/or maniacal!!

Thanks for not laughing, Vanhorn! I agree a lot with your post. But I do still think there could be a way. (I'm feeling unusually stubborn, I guess!). I don't know what all Sammy learned in college or from John, but he's often demonstrating his education and intelligence, so I think he could find a way.

Also, here is where love interests could come in handy. I know most of you are passionately opposed to them. But it could work out well for the show. It could help the guys out and keep the Family Business rolling along in a realistic way. And would it really kill us to see a well-written, properly handled love interest or two pop up every third episode or less? I know I could handle it. A girlfriend without a criminal record could set up a biz for them in her name (how could it be proven she wasn't doing the work?), the guys (or at least Sammy) do all the work (once these 'net businesses get going, they kind of run themselves, right?) and, voila! A mostly-honest income!

It just seems to me that, where there's a will (and a Sammy), there's a way.

I admit, however, that it is funny to see how Dean isn't, apparently, bothered at all by their theft. I'm on Sam's side about it, but I understand Dean's side, too. (They are helping the greater good. They're doing the best they can. Gotta do what they gotta do, so no prob.) It's good for a laugh; especially Sam's exasperation at that attitude. But our Dean is maturing and changing some of his views and we know he IS capable of thinking deeper when he wants to. So, it'd be nice to see him coming around to Sam's point of view, at least somewhat. (Although it'll probably take him getting embarrassed about it by some woman to make that happen! So far, Sammy's shaming him hasn't helped a bit!) Logically, it just seems that they may have to change things up a bit after their current drama is played out. Speaking of logic, how the hell is it that they can drive around in that Impala and not get caught?! It's bugging the hell outta me! I hope Kripke gives us an explanation later and doesn't just expect us to be stupid and assume that they are just THAT lucky! Lol

There ya go. Smile

And, as to the stuff ya mentioned, I didn't imagine anyone having to wire the guys money. I just figured they would have all her access information so they could just access the accounts any time. So, in other words, it'd be their money to access whenever and do whatever with. But it would LOOK, legally, like it was hers. They'd file taxes in her name, etc. (Wouldn't it be funny to see them trying to figure a way to file weaponry & ritual oddments as business expenses? Heh heh!) Again, I'm far from an expert (me . . . expert at anything business or financial . . . HA!!! Laughing

) but it just seems like it could be done.

And as to the relationships, there are real life long-distance relationships. Real life couples who, although exclusive and deeply in love, hardly ever see each other at all. Rock stars for instance (I mean the faithful ones! Smile

) Even couples living in different countries (soldiers, etc.) I'm with you; for reasons other than the legal/financial practicality AND off-setting the gay jokes (nothing against those who like it, but I do NOT like "Wincest." Ew. Bleh. And a gay joke now and then on the show is funny. But if they really never ARE with women. Hmm.), I'm not wishing for serious love interests either. (Although the sleeping around thing is gonna get skanky & old after awhile; esp. for Dean. Sammy's just starting it! If Dean was a woman, we'd call her a slut already! I don't think it's any more acceptable for guys than girls.) But, as I said in another post, TV just does that. I'm guessing it's the teen TV watchers (who probably make up the majority of TV watchers) who like it (horny/overly-romantic little devils!) and cause it to happen. How many non-comedic TV shows can you name that don't have the major (hot) characters thrown with a love interest? Argh. It's annoying, isn't it? Evil or Very Mad

So, I'm afraid that it'll happen, whether we like it or not. I'm just trying to imagine and hope for the silver lining when it strikes! But, hey, if the SN folks (a.k.a. "you people") can figure out another way to adjust the Winchester income, that'd be great! It just seems, logically (and I know the show is called "Supernatural," but they're gonna have to keep the non-supernatural aspects decently logical and believable, or they'll lose viewers with brains), the Winchester ways are going to have to be adjusted somewhat in the near future.
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ExtraCookie · NO CHICKFLICK MOMENTS Joined: 04 Apr 2007 Posts: 269

OK, so I said something stupid in the last post there. About them filing taxes in someone else's name. Embarassed

What I should've said was that when she filed her taxes, some of the info there would be *their* info. She'd have to call them and have them tell her what she needed to know and/or they'd have to mail her pertinent papers. Argh. I hate thinking of money. I hate thinking of numbers, period. I had to go to several different schools as a kid (due to moving) and was too shy to ask teachers for help, so I never caught on so well to the math thing! Bleh! So, talking about numbers can easily make me say something stupid. You have been warned! Wink

And, yeah, I don't know if that stuff would even work or not; just throwing it out there. Bottom line, I just think the guys (or at least Sammy) could figure out a way to bring in, at least, semi-honest income. The details I'll leave to someone else! Very Happy

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"Decapitations aren't my idea of a good time, I guess." --Sammy, "Bloodlust"