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You can find the side summaries here courtesy of Supernatural.tv and the full sides can be found here, and here thanks to Ibelieveinsam at the CW boards.

Discussion starters:
1) Do the sides make you want to watch the episode, or are you pretty indifferent about it?
2) What do you think about poor Dean being thrown into an AUverse?
3) Why do you think Dean and Sam are no longer on speaking terms?
4) How do you feel about Carmen? Who do you think they should get to play her? (Just for kicks!)
5) How excited are we to see what sort of mother Mary would have been? And it's assumed that Papa Winchester returns! Psyched or what?

chasingangel82 · Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 5:16 am Post subject:

Alright from the get go, I loved this episode for one reason, Mum's alive. From what we have seen of Dean around his mum, his defences drop and I love that about him. We saw it in the Pilot when Sam said 'Mom is gone......', we saw it in Home, when he first saw who the flaming figure was.

Not sure I like the idea of Carmen, because from what we know about Dean, he isnt really the one women type of guy, although it may have changed due to mum being alive.

Sam not talking to him, now this has got me worried. What could Dean have done to Sam to make them not talk anymore. Would they still have had a crappy life no matter what, is it their destiny's to fight demons anyway, could Dean have found out the Sam is son of Satan. Either way, this eppie has me going WTH *shrugs*

Lets just see what happens Cool

Sarah · Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 12:58 pm Post subject:

I think Dean's affinity for one-nighters comes more from his on-the-road-again lifestyle than from his dislike of relationships. After all, he had a relationship with Cassie. So I'd think that if he had grown up living in one place, he probably wouldn't have had a chance to cultivate that attitude and most likely would've had a few steady girlfriends. Toss some one-nighters in there, whatever. But Carmen doesn't seem so farfetched to me. I like that they're dating and not married yet, though. Dean doesn't seem like the type to be married at 20 no matter how he grew up! Very Happy

Although it would've been hysterical if he'd ended up with a wife and kids. Imagine Dean getting thrown into THAT one.

As for Sam and Dean not talking...in the sides, Carmen did mention he'd done something stupid.

Dean: So, Sammy and I…we don’t exactly get along, huh?
Carmen sits down beside him. Gently—
Carmen: You guys are just so different…and I don’t think you really know each other all that well.
Dean: And everything he said—‘bout letting him down, all the crap I’ve pulled…that’s all true, huh?
Carmen: (gently) Well, sometimes you can be a little too… carefree.

So whatever it was, he probably hurt Sam in some way and they've both been sore over it ever since. If Carmen knows about it and can just say "You can be a jerk sometimes", then I doubt he found out Sam was a demonspawn and tried to kill him or something. They probably just had a fight over something really dumb.

ExtraCookie · NO CHICKFLICK MOMENTS Joined: 04 Apr 2007 Posts: 269

REALLY?! JOHN MAY BE BACK IN THIS ONE?!! YESSSSSSSS!!!!! I HOPE SO. I CAN'T WAIT! Very Happy

I can't wait for this episode period!!!!!!! Tonight's the night!!!!
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"Decapitations aren't my idea of a good time, I guess." --Sammy, "Bloodlust"

Sarah · Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 5:26 pm Post subject:

Actually it's recently been reported that Jeffrey Dean Morgan couldn't be in the episode due to other obligations. So he won't be there, but Mary will! I'm super excited too. The director's cuts are up and they're great. Smile

ExtraCookie · NO CHICKFLICK MOMENTS Joined: 04 Apr 2007 Posts: 269

Yeah, I was afraid that was too good to be true! Sarah, how DARE you get my hopes up, you evil, evil woman! Evil or Very Mad

Just kidding, of course! Laughing

'S OK, we'll see him before it's over with! And I am squirming with anticipation Exclamation

Since we ARE in Spoilerville, my mom (who is very good at predicting how shows/movies are going to turn out . . . a gift I'm a bit lacking in) brought up something interesting last night (yes, I turned her on to the show). She wondered if maybe it was John's plan all along in making The Deal to not only save Dean, but to be able to help in the war from the other side (thereby saving Dean AND Sam AND the world)! That would be excellent and explain a lot! (And wouldn't all you John haters forgive him or at least cut him a hell of a lot of slack and have a newfound respect for him then? If that wouldn't do it, what the hell could?!!) Dean's been so outraged that John, in his eyes, "surrendered," punked out, however you'd like to term it and just hasn't been able to understand it, even knowing how much John loved him and wouldn't want him to die. Even with that knowledge, it just NEVER completely made sense to Dean. (And it's awesome that it doesn't gnaw on Sammy quite the same way. It's so in keeping with the fact that Dean was closer to & knew his dad better! To Sammy, since he's so sweet and self-sacrificing, he just seems to pretty much accepts that John didn't want Dean to die so that's why he did it, period. That's so Sammy; Sammy would do that in a heartbeat.) That was, indeed, so not John! That would be a very cool and smart thing for the writers to come up with. I'd be super impressed! Man, the writing is getting better and better, no matter what! The character development is growing and getting deeper. The continuity and immersion into the Supernatural world is getting better. Man, if this show doesn't go on at least another couple of seasons, it'll be such a shame!

For all I know, everyone and their grandma has already thought of this, so forgive me if it's old speculation! (And my mom is a very busy woman with a lot on her mind, or she'd have thought of it sooner, I bet. And she may have, for all I know, but last night is the first she's mentioned it.) But it hadn't occurred to me, that's for sure! I just assumed he'd be showing up in an intense, life-or-death moment because his boys needed him. Mom's idea is much better! Again, forgive me if I'm way behind with this! I don't get to network with SN fans much, so my own SN speculation can be a bit stunted! Argh, damned dial-up!!! Evil or Very Mad

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"Decapitations aren't my idea of a good time, I guess." --Sammy, "Bloodlust"

Sarah · Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 3:37 pm Post subject:

I totally apologize. Someone else got my hopes up for it so I know how you feel. Wink

I don't think he surrendered or punked out. I think he honestly could not deal with his son dying, and so traded himself for him out of the desire to keep him alive. No punking out there. Just honest to goodness parental sacrifice. A little selfish but totally understandable.
On the other hand, I think your idea/your mom's idea is a valid one. It's true that we're seeing him in the finale, so you may just be right about that.

ExtraCookie · NO CHICKFLICK MOMENTS Joined: 04 Apr 2007 Posts: 269